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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying bist has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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bespoke radio

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yeah how you doing how you doing

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today is monday july 26

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this is fade to black bespoke radio

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for the

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masses psy

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208 days into the new year only 157 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful

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it is i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing yeah you know what's going

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uh calling the show 1975

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revisited that's what we're gonna do

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lots of stuff i wanna i wanna thank

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peter robbins an amazing

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uh broadcast earlier tonight here on

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uh well done peter well done i hung out

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thank peter for

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for everything that his efforts and

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and so i've had a great conversation

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with him yesterday uh too

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peter and i uh i don't know how long we

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he got to hear me go through a fast food

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and order food after a seven hour drive

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but um yeah that was pretty cool that

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right on peter so uh that's tonight

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travis walton is here tomorrow night

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here on fade to black william henry

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you're not going to want to miss that

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what an amazing week we've got because

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wednesday night jay widener

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knowledge about secret

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mystery schools and who is really

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of that on wednesday night

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with jay weidner thursday night is fader

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night with open lines all night long

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and uh truly one of the great nights in

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all of talk radio

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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my twitter account started acting really

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so i've logged out of uh they told me

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drag but uh there you go

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walton tomorrow night william henry

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wednesday night jay

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widener thursday night is fader night

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you can follow me on twitter

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at j church radio the sandbox is hashtag

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if you're any of those travis trolls

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that are out there causing trouble

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in youtube i don't have any patience for

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anybody tonight and so bill

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anybody named wiser block

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kick him out her he whatever she is

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um and there you go okay so

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i just don't have patience for it and i

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anything getting clogged up tonight nah

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not tonight travis walton will be with

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at the bottom of the hour i want to let

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everybody know i'm going to talk about

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this in just a minute

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over the weekend i was out next to

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edwards air force base and i will tell

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you part of the story

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in just a few minutes it was a pretty

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let's get to the breaking news

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incredible story today a crumbling hunk

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found in a field in england is a rare

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meteorite from the earliest days of the

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solar system and this planet

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billion years that's the age of the

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right the meteorite was found in

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shire in march by derrick

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robson a resident of

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lobaro england and the director of astro

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chemistry at the east

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anglian astronomical astrophysical matt

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the meteorite was sitting in the imprint

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of a horseshoe

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left behind in a field according to the

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it's a carbon it's a i checked this is

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it's an absolutely incredible discovery

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and the photographs

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are insane all right the news coming out

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of nasa their mars helicopter

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ingenuity has flown its first mile

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on the red planet the small chopper

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of its total flight distance uh this

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when it soared over a rocky region

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the sortie was the 10th and highest trip

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yet for ingenuity

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which arrived on mars with nasa's

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yet for ingenuity with 10 different

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and it flew over the raised ridge's

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target now check this out it reached an

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of 40 feet setting a new record height

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absolutely incredible still flying they

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now next up the oldest known

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message in a bottle has been found half

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buried at a west australian beach nearly

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132 years after it was tossed overboard

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in the indian ocean until now

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the previous world record for the oldest

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was 108 years 4 months and 18 days

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this message is dated june 12 1886

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and was tossed from the german ship

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paula the bottle was found just north of

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100 miles north of perth by tonya illman

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near her son's car her son's car had

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bogged down in the soft sand

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absolutely incredible story now moving

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on to avi loeb

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because today there was a press

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conference and the galileo project

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was announced of course being headed

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by multi-institut a multi-institutional

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department of astronomy at harvard

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the team will seek and investigate

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that could represent defunct or still

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civilizations otherwise known as

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etcs the project will analyze data from

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astronomical surveys and telescope

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observations and

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design new algorithms used using

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artificial intelligence in order to

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identify potential interstellar

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travelers alien-built

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satellites and unidentified

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aerial phenomena absolutely incredible

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story we're gonna have avi on the show

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uh he's a busy man he he he reached out

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and we're gonna schedule something for

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early in the week next week because we

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stay booked up

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weeks in advance but we'll get avi on

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asap all right let's get to show

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cracking

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happy birthday to today

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kate beckinsale kate beckinsale today is

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kate said that she has

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date wow

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happy birthday kate beckinsale jason

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i'm just going to say snatch i'm just

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going to go there helen mirren today is

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76.

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mick jagger today is 78

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and queen stickman and drummer roger

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taylor today is 72.

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extreme front man gary sharon today is

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60 more than words notice i didn't

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mention van halen

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and guitar great the one and only

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andy timmons today is 58 years old our

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dead guy's birthday today is dobie gray

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1940 to 2011 died at the age of 71

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dolby's hit songs included the in crowd

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in 1965 and of course

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drift away which was one of the biggest

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hits of 1973

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sold over a million copies and is one of

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the greatest songs

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in all of music history drift away

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became a hit again in 2003 when he

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covered the song as

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a duet with uncle cracker drift away

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peaked at number 9 one week to the day

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after gray's 63rd

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birthday and placed at number 19 in the

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billboard

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year and hot 100 singles of 2003

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as well as logging a record setting 28

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weeks atop

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the adult contemporary chart in 2003 and

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2004.

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dolby died on december 6 2011 of

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complications from cancer surgery

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in nashville tennessee at the age of 71.

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happy birthday dobie

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on this day in history otd 1975.

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are you old enough to remember this van

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mccoy's

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the hustle becomes the number one song

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in america

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and the number one dance signaling

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the official beginning of the disco

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era the hustle you did it

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you did the hustle i was in like eighth

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grade

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belzer junior high school 1975

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1976 right in there somewhere

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and they taught the hustle in

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gym class in p.e we did

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square dancing in pe i'm not making this

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up

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and then we did like a week of the

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hustle

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in school fader fact all right here you

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go

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all right i hope you're sitting down

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hope you didn't just

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eat fader fact woodpeckers eat

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brains when they get too hungry that's

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right

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if they've gone too long without food

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they will pin down other birds and peck

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at the back of their heads until they

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crack into their skulls

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and then they eat their brains

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those cute little woodpeckers that's

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right

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very special guest travis walton will be

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with us at the

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bottom of the hour we are going to

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revisit

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1975. there's uh some drama

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that uh spent dusting up out there and

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uh i don't want to use the word hoax i'm

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not going to do it tonight

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i'll let travis do that but uh travis

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will be with us at the bottom of the

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hour tomorrow night

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william henry is here wednesday night

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jay widener returns he's going to be

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sharing his knowledge about the secret

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mystery schools

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and thursday night is another fader

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night with open lines

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all night long now it's time for me to

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hit this

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yeah it's dark

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in my fade to black thermos mug

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rivermoonwellness.com go over to

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jimmychurchradio.com click on all the

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banners right there for river moon

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it'll take you straight there to the

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amazon store to their website

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and go and get yourself some fade to

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black blend

386
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yeah all right earlier i was talking

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edwards air force base and

388
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check this out i just spent three days

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and two nights

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just south of edwards air force base out

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there in the mojave desert

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and and it is a very strange but cool

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part of the world

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and you've got to go if you have never

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been

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there you need to go there's so much

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going on lots of rumors flying around

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literally about edwards and i've seen my

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fair share of interesting stuff in the

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area

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i have and one can only guess about the

402
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secret stuff that goes on there

403
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and remember the entire location

404
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that entire part of the world is

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to the north it's flanked by nate uh the

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navy's

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china lake facility and uh

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pretty strange that the navy's biggest

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base

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in the world is smack dab in the middle

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of a desert there's no water

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and uh there's a whole host of different

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secret things like lockheed skunk works

414
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is right there so what happened

415
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right what happened while i was there

416
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over the weekend

417
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why am i bringing this up now

418
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yeah that's a great question i'm glad

419
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you're asking it and uh

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i'll do my best to tell you what

421
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it's like this it's friday night

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today's monday it's three days ago it's

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friday night

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and i'm standing in front of my hotel

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and i'm looking

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north towards edwards

427
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and i know that i'm you know just a few

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miles away well more like 10

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and and i'm looking at and i just right

430
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then it's like it's like

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10 30 at night and i decide to jump in

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the jeep

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and see how close i can get

434
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it's what i decided to do

435
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and it turned out that i only had to

436
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drive a few miles

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and i'm gonna keep the location private

438
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for now

439
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i would love to take uh a few friends up

440
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there to where i was but

441
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but i get pretty close and

442
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i'm just south of the main runways

443
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,400
i i'm right there and if you jump on

444
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google earth and you look at

445
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,720
edwards and you can see a few streets

446
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that are

447
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,200
know there you go it's

448
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that part's not a big secret but i want

449
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,799
to keep where i was

450
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you know private for now but but i'm

451
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,440
right there

452
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,000
you know and i'm pretty much in the open

453
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:07,520
desert

454
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,679
okay so i follow my gps

455
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:14,880
i find a cool spot

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and i pull over and park

457
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my jeep by the way is facing east on the

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opposite side of the street i gotta

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00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,120
cross the street

460
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,720
and uh and i'm right there and

461
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,720
for what i can see because it's at night

462
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:30,159
i'm in the middle of the desert and it's

463
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:30,880
pretty dark

464
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:34,880
but i can see that there's like this

465
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i call it a berm but i really could

466
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:40,159
but anyway there's like this ridge in

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00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,279
front of me

468
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,279
and it's about a quarter of a mile away

469
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:44,880
but i can see it

470
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,840
i can't see over it right but i can you

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00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,159
know

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00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,159
it's a burn probably surrounding the

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entire base i'm making a guess on that

474
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,440
but anyway

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00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,440
i'm not really sure if it was part of

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the base you know plus it's dark who

477
00:24:03,350 --> 00:23:59,360
knows but

478
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um from where i was

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i can see from the other side i can see

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a few tall you know looks like

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radio towers or antennas i can see them

482
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sticking up

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and uh i can see that they're skinny

484
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,559
i can make that much out they have

485
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,640
flashing lights on them you know and

486
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,880
they're in the distance okay all right

487
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:27,120
now and i'm looking at my gps and from

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where

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i am standing and everything is marked

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and i have my phone i'm looking at it

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i know that i'm just like directly south

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of edwards

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right there and i'm looking around

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uh you know in the dark i'm looking left

495
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i'm looking right i'm just kind of

496
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:43,919
getting

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00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:48,720
is going on i'm also looking for

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00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,559
you know like coyotes whatever

499
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,400
you know i'm in the middle of the desert

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00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,799
and while i'm doing this

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00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,520
something flashes in front of me and

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00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,000
catches

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00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:03,200
my eye and i spin back around and

504
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,240
right between these two radio towers

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00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,600
um that are sticking up this thing

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00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:14,400
lights up

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00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:17,679
and it it's got

508
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,120
it's got like swirling lights and it

509
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:24,640
it was just on the rim of it

510
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:29,600
seriously right and i'm like no way

511
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:33,200
what the hell and i i think i even said

512
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,400
all of that out loud

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by myself in the middle of the desert

514
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:37,679
but this thing just goes

515
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whoop and

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00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,400
and after the first swirl it goes black

517
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and i can't

518
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:48,480
i can't see anything

519
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:51,520
i'm like man did that just happen

520
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,960
and then as i'm looking at it the whole

521
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,840
thing just kind of stutters

522
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:00,880
you know and it wasn't the the sword it

523
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,480
was just like on the outside of it

524
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,679
and uh it's not too bright

525
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,640
the the the swirl thing was was pretty

526
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:11,919
bright but this

527
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:15,360
it's like it's and i'm like what

528
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,880
what the heck and it's kind of blinking

529
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:21,840
and uh and i can't i really can't make

530
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,320
you know

531
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,080
but the lights are like in a straight

532
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line

533
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,279
um they were they were kind of

534
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,240
tall it's it's hard to explain but but

535
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,600
if it's like this

536
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,000
long and it's between the radio towers

537
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:38,080
so from where i was it wasn't

538
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,520
you know it's like a quarter of an inch

539
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:41,600
wide but you know

540
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,960
and i could see this man it's so hard

541
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,200
and i was tripping out man

542
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,400
i mean i was tripping and

543
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:53,279
uh it was hard to tell because at this

544
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,159
point

545
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:57,600
i'd seen that brief swirl thing and

546
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,840
that only lasted like literally a second

547
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,080
and and then the stutter thing and then

548
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,440
it goes blank

549
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,600
and it's just back to blackness this

550
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,240
whole thing lasted

551
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,360
i mean like five seconds maybe you know

552
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:16,880
and i'm serious i am like no

553
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,240
bleeping way i'm tripping out and i have

554
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:21,520
my eyes

555
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:25,919
fixed on this spot and

556
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,600
and as i'm looking and i'm like what

557
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,720
it swirls again

558
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:35,840
and this time i saw the swirl start

559
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,840
and it definitely went around

560
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,080
and i was thinking that maybe i was like

561
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,080
man is this a blimp

562
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,880
you know why why is there a blip and i

563
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,159
don't know

564
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,200
but anyway when it did the swirl i could

565
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:53,120
see

566
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,320
right it was round it wasn't

567
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:03,360
a blimp it was round i could i watched

568
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:04,000
it go

569
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,679
like this and the back side of it

570
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,520
uh you know it lit up on the front side

571
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,960
when i went around the back side i could

572
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:12,799
only see

573
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,840
the bottom you know like the the light

574
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,200
of the light i wasn't

575
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,840
you know but i could see and it went one

576
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:21,360
time

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00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,799
but i could see the bottom edge of the

578
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the the opposite side because of the

579
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:31,760
lights i could see a shadow

580
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,840
and uh i tripped man and i take out my

581
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:36,960
phone

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00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,080
uh which i had in my hand and uh

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00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,320
i'm serious my heart nearly blew out of

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my chest and

585
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,200
i get the video ready and now i'm

586
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,760
standing there i've got it ready and i'm

587
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,399
watching and i'm holding up the nothing

588
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:55,039
you know and there's nothing

589
00:29:03,830 --> 00:28:59,600
i stood there for about 20 or 30 minutes

590
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,840
nothing whatever it was it was over

591
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,039
and now a couple of technical points and

592
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,919
i'm guessing from where i was and i had

593
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,760
my phone i had google maps i was about

594
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,679
five miles south of edwards

595
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,159
and this object whatever it was was

596
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,760
pretty low

597
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,080
it was in between the radio towers the

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radio towers are here and it was like

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00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:24,000
right even with them maybe a little

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higher

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00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,480
and uh but it was right there and i got

602
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,399
a pretty good fix on its location

603
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,559
i know where i'm at i know these rated

604
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:34,720
and it's like right in between

605
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,760
so after not seeing anything more i

606
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,840
i walk back to the jeep and for some

607
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,120
reason

608
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:44,080
i was walking back to the jeep and i was

609
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,039
thinking that it was

610
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,520
probably the top of a radio tower that i

611
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,960
couldn't see

612
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,720
and maybe it was some kind of crazy

613
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:53,039
warning lights on the top of a radio

614
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,240
tower

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00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,000
you know and you know because the other

616
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,919
radio towers were there

617
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:00,480
so i drive back to the hotel now fast

618
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,440
forward

619
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,679
to saturday i kind of like dismissed the

620
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,760
whole thing

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00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,679
fast forward to saturday after having

622
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,440
breakfast at the hotel

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00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,399
i was standing back out in front and uh

624
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,159
and i was looking back

625
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,640
towards edwards it's a little bit east

626
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and north

627
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,880
of where i'm at and uh i was like man

628
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,039
those lights

629
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you know and i was like screw it i

630
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,080
jumped back in the jeep

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and i headed back to the same location

632
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and i'm driving east

633
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,279
and i'm looking out my window you know

634
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:36,480
to my left

635
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:39,679
and i see the radio towers right and

636
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,799
i pull back over to the same spot

637
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,720
right there i pull back over my jeep is

638
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facing east

639
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,880
and and i get out my tire tracks and my

640
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,799
footprints from the night before are

641
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:51,840
still there

642
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,279
not a big deal but i notice them

643
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,159
so i walk across the street and i stand

644
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,480
in the exact same spot

645
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,640
and i look at the radio towers and

646
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,240
there's nothing there in between

647
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,200
them it's nothing but clear blue sky i

648
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:08,720
was expecting to see

649
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,240
something you know like a small skinny

650
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:14,640
black tower with a circle on top

651
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,919
but there was nothing there and i was

652
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:19,120
going to take a picture

653
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,799
right of nothing

654
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,200
but there was no point you know and all

655
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:27,039
i have now is this soup

656
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,799
stupid story once again without video or

657
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,000
an image to go with

658
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:34,480
it and to be totally honest uh there was

659
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,279
no chance

660
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,039
to take any pictures the night before

661
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,880
because it just happened like that it

662
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,399
caught me by surprise

663
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:43,679
when i was ready nothing happened

664
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,320
so it goes now tomorrow night

665
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:51,039
i'll tell you about the black suv that

666
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,000
followed me

667
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,640
later that afternoon and that's a trippy

668
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:55,840
story too

669
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,600
tonight travis walton he's going to be

670
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:02,320
here right now in a couple of minutes

671
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:02,960
we're going to be

672
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,039
revisiting 1975. tomorrow night

673
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,440
william henry joins us wednesday night

674
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,799
jay widener

675
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thursday night is another fader night

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00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,240
with open lines

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00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,559
all night long i'm yours jimmy church

678
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,000
this is fade to black

679
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,320
on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet grace hobbs the planet race

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00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,399
hops

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i'll be right back after this short

683
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:29,840
break with travis walton

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00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:43,810
stay right there

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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matthews

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00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,990
all right welcome back fade to black i

792
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,760
am your host jimmy church tonight travis

793
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,119
walton

794
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:41,599
and uh before before we get to travis i

795
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:42,480
just want to say

796
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:46,960
that uh tyler

797
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,560
tyler's hanging out in uh

798
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,560
in in the youtube chat it's his birthday

799
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,240
happy birthday tyler

800
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,839
happy birthday chatted with tyler all

801
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:57,599
weekend he didn't tell me his birthday

802
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,640
was today

803
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,640
but uh it's his story i'm sticking to it

804
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:01,680
happy birthday

805
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,359
tonight it is travis walton and he joins

806
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:06,800
us tonight we're going to discuss

807
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,520
in detail the current drama that his

808
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,960
case

809
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,680
yeah i'm just going to say hoaxed i'm

810
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,200
just going to say that one time tonight

811
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:17,040
i'll leave the rest of that up to travis

812
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,480
i don't want to ever say those words

813
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,440
again

814
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,040
there are a few wannabes out there

815
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,560
trying to make a buck on

816
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,480
an event that has been investigated

817
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,560
researched and looked into for the last

818
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,920
45 years

819
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,599
and tonight we're gonna put all of this

820
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,079
to bed travis's life of course

821
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,640
changed on november 5th 1975 while

822
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:35,839
working

823
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,800
in a logging crew in the apache sit

824
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,200
graves national forest in arizona

825
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,440
the walton case received mainstream

826
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,280
publicity and remains one of the best

827
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:46,640
known instances

828
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:50,079
of alien abduction it is one of the very

829
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,480
few

830
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:53,040
alien abduction cases with corroborative

831
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,240
eyewitnesses

832
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:56,560
and one of the few abduction cases where

833
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,280
the time

834
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,400
allegedly spent in the custody of aliens

835
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,680
plays a very minor role in the overall

836
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,440
account i would like to welcome back to

837
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,079
fade to black travis walton travis

838
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,960
good evening man how you doing all right

839
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:13,680
i'm doing okay considering

840
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,960
yeah okay travis um welcome back to the

841
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,520
program

842
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,040
ken um can we talk about maybe your lack

843
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:23,680
of oxygen tonight

844
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,119
and um and and what you've

845
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,800
been going through i think people should

846
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,320
know

847
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,800
well i i don't like to brag or or

848
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,720
complain about things like that

849
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,560
but let's just say i've been kind of

850
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,560
short of breath lately

851
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,760
yeah but um yeah travis i really don't

852
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,000
think

853
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,400
it's fluid accumulating in the lungs i

854
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,520
think this

855
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,240
symptom has to do with the virus

856
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,240
occupying

857
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:53,200
the um oxygen carrying parts of the

858
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,680
blood

859
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:56,720
yeah that's just my uh little theory

860
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,119
there

861
00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:00,240
yeah i got you know i got it uh back in

862
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:01,200
november

863
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,200
uh thanksgiving and i thankfully

864
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,640
uh uh it stayed out of my lungs

865
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:11,040
but it got into every other part of my

866
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,319
body though

867
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,440
and it was it was rough but so everybody

868
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,720
tonight um if travis is

869
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,880
short of breath i'm just letting you

870
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:22,720
know that you know uh

871
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:26,160
talking uh with you today travis i could

872
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,119
tell

873
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,839
that you were just like just running out

874
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,800
of oxygen

875
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,839
and uh so uh i just want to let

876
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,680
everybody know that that is actually

877
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,960
what is happening

878
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,599
well um travis let's let's get straight

879
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:40,480
to it i've called

880
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,839
uh this show tonight uh 1975

881
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,720
revisited and i chose that for good

882
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:47,839
reason

883
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,319
um as this drama uh

884
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,960
started to make its way through social

885
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,000
media

886
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,599
um last week and it was a build up over

887
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,160
uh a short period of time but i

888
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:03,920
immediately called you up

889
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,599
and i said travis just tell me it's all

890
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:10,319
bs those weren't the words that i used

891
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,280
but

892
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,640
um and you said jimmy it's all bs

893
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,920
and yes it's all bs it's all you know

894
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,040
there's a kind of a

895
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,240
built-in conundrum here

896
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,440
when you're attacked in this way uh

897
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,480
if you say nothing people assume oh he

898
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,400
must not have a reply for that

899
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,880
but then if you do reply then you're

900
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:35,040
just on a level with whoever's attacking

901
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,520
you

902
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,720
that are bickering

903
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:41,599
and so what the hell do you do you know

904
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:41,920
uh

905
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,599
i have good solid simple refutations of

906
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,440
things that are being said but for some

907
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,280
reason the public just wants to see it

908
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,560
as

909
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,560
a quarrel between two people and that's

910
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,680
that's not what this is

911
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,560
at all i was uh i was uh talking to

912
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:58,400
peter robbins yesterday

913
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:01,760
and and peter you know because of who he

914
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,000
is

915
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,800
he's so pragmatic um he's you know

916
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,800
bringing up this and this and this and

917
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,319
the evidence to me and i said you know

918
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,119
what peter

919
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,319
all of that is cool but

920
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,520
i have sat and had breakfast and lunch

921
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,040
with travis

922
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,400
and talked about everything but ufos

923
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,960
right but i had a chance to look into

924
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,160
his eyes

925
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,119
and and that is good enough for me and

926
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,800
and peter was like jimmy that is the

927
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:30,160
best thing you could ever say

928
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,839
i said that that that's it but uh

929
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,680
i told peter he knew that you were

930
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,359
coming on the show today

931
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,040
and he said jimmy don't do don't hold

932
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:41,520
back and i said well i'm not going to

933
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,240
and i don't think that's the point i i

934
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,839
think what we need to do

935
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:48,079
uh travis and i have done many many many

936
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,119
shows together

937
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,920
but we the first show i did with travis

938
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,319
uh

939
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,920
so many years ago 2013 or something

940
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:59,119
we talked about 1975 then

941
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,400
and every time he's been on the show

942
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,839
since then we've talked about everything

943
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:02,560
else but

944
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,640
that so maybe it's time to circle back

945
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:09,680
and revisit 1975. and

946
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,520
so let's i don't like going there

947
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,480
briefly you know right um we were

948
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,920
returning from work

949
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,680
we saw this glow coming through the

950
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:23,680
trees and this was

951
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,359
on the contract without a doubt and uh

952
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,960
when we got to where

953
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:31,520
the source of the light was uh we could

954
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,160
see

955
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,640
this flying saucer hovering there in the

956
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,520
clearing

957
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,359
and there's absolutely no doubt in the

958
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,960
minds of any one of us

959
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,960
we've all passed multiple polygraph

960
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:42,560
tests on that subject

961
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,079
and it was uh definitely

962
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,359
not off there four miles away

963
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,960
uh at some little forest service

964
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,160
installation

965
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,440
that this crazy theory is being bandied

966
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
about

967
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:00,400
now a couple of things let's let's

968
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:01,520
actually start

969
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:05,359
right there um we're talking about

970
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:08,800
first off remoteness travis um

971
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,839
but from the location

972
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,319
when uh you know you and the crew and

973
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:15,520
the logging truck

974
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:18,960
stopped from there

975
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,000
how hilly is it i just want to know

976
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,560
how far of line of sight do you have

977
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,800
from that location

978
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,119
well there is absolutely no line of

979
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,440
sight from there to the uh

980
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:34,319
gentry tower you cannot see it you even

981
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,640
on

982
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,760
uh even after the two forest fires which

983
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,240
have cleared off a whole bunch of timber

984
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,119
you you still couldn't see a glow from

985
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,880
uh the thing if the lights were on it's

986
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:45,520
just

987
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,839
far away it's ridiculous

988
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,400
this um accusation that i've

989
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,319
acknowledged or

990
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:57,359
admitted or in any way i've

991
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:00,800
the truth is i've never been to that

992
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:04,800
that uh tower tower i've been

993
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:08,240
so um anybody that's uh saying anything

994
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,040
else

995
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:12,480
is a gigantic liar and

996
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:16,960
the um uh we've all been in the woods

997
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,160
right and and certainly uh where we are

998
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,079
talking about here

999
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,520
is remote and that was your your job on

1000
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:26,560
the logging crew

1001
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,240
to go out and and clear uh

1002
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,800
the trees because of forest fires and

1003
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,720
other reasons to have to clear those

1004
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,000
trees but

1005
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,960
from there when you look around you you

1006
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:41,040
could probably see i'm just guessing

1007
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,000
travis

1008
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,000
but you could probably see a hundred

1009
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,319
yards and if you're lucky a break in the

1010
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,800
trees maybe a quarter of a mile

1011
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:51,119
but that's it you're in a heavily

1012
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,400
forested hilly

1013
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:55,440
area correct well the truth is you can

1014
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,079
actually

1015
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,119
see san francisco peaks

1016
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,079
over by flagstaff the highest point in

1017
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,760
the state of arizona

1018
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:06,079
snow-capped most of the year maybe all

1019
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,359
of the year

1020
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:10,720
from there but uh you're going to have

1021
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:11,359
to

1022
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:14,960
the way and

1023
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,800
it's certainly um not anything that's

1024
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,160
going to let you see

1025
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:23,359
this this fire tower yeah

1026
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,839
which by the way was occupied by a local

1027
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,400
reporter

1028
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,640
who described her experience

1029
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,680
encountering

1030
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,760
certain people come by researchers and

1031
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:36,160
whatnot uh so

1032
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,670
isolated place where somebody might

1033
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,119
hide out or something that's just

1034
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,040
totally ridiculous

1035
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,319
now the um uh and i want to stay on

1036
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:51,599
specifics here

1037
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:55,119
um once

1038
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,640
uh mike freaked out mike rogers

1039
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:01,839
the driver he peels out and and

1040
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:05,040
and takes everybody with him

1041
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:08,720
for these claims of

1042
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,720
a spotlight or something else coming

1043
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:15,359
through or i i i can't figure out how

1044
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:15,839
that

1045
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,760
mike and the rest of the crew wouldn't

1046
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,200
freak out over

1047
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,480
a spotlight that's not what they saw

1048
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,720
of course not you know um you know one

1049
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,559
of the crew actually said it was the

1050
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,440
brightest

1051
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,760
thing he'd ever seen in his life it was

1052
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:34,640
compared to

1053
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,599
both of lightning a laser beam um

1054
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,079
different the reason there's so many

1055
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,440
different descriptions because they were

1056
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:45,680
all talking to different deputies but

1057
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,119
um it was definitely not uh

1058
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,960
just a light somebody turned on or

1059
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:52,319
something the

1060
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,359
um uh the descriptions

1061
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,400
that not only made it into the movie

1062
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,000
but uh the book too as well but

1063
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,160
artwork that has been generated out

1064
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,599
there depicting

1065
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,640
the moment of all of this going down

1066
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,760
that really hasn't been in a point of

1067
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,640
contention for 45 years right though

1068
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,880
no not at all you know all this time

1069
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:18,400
it's been fine

1070
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,319
and uh some no-name wannabe

1071
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:25,760
uh is trying to uh

1072
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,119
um twist things

1073
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,280
in order to gain their five seconds of

1074
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,400
fame uh

1075
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,720
claiming this this thing all in

1076
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,160
connection with

1077
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:38,880
this gentry tower thing which actually

1078
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,280
did

1079
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,400
come up way back and that was very

1080
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,240
quickly dismissed by

1081
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,559
anybody that looked into it i mean good

1082
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,119
grief it's almost four miles away

1083
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,559
it's just there's just no way that uh

1084
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,359
we're gonna wander off the contract the

1085
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,359
contract we know we know where we are we

1086
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,720
know what the roads are

1087
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,760
and you know the borders are actually uh

1088
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,200
flagged with plastic

1089
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,760
flagging that the forest service puts up

1090
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:06,400
so

1091
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:09,680
uh now there's uh another part to this

1092
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,040
if there was somebody in

1093
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,599
this tower i'm just saying right if

1094
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,359
there was somebody in that tower

1095
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:21,040
now we've got a co-conspirator here

1096
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,359
um how is it that that co-conspirator

1097
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,640
hasn't been caught

1098
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,720
nobody has come forward it's totally

1099
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,079
made up and this

1100
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,280
uh wannabe filmmaker um i don't believe

1101
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:37,280
he's a real filmmaker anyway

1102
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:44,390
um

1103
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:49,359
the the the co-conspirator thing is

1104
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,440
um he refers in much of his narrative

1105
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:56,640
on several different uh points

1106
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:00,240
where he's quoting mystery witnesses

1107
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,160
or uh uh testimony from people who shall

1108
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,280
remain nameless and this is very very

1109
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,480
suspicious if

1110
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:11,200
hey come on if if you've got somebody

1111
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,000
that's going to

1112
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,640
testify to something you know confront

1113
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:15,920
me and mike and

1114
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,119
john and steve and and let's just uh

1115
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:20,559
have it out because

1116
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:24,319
it's going to be bs the um

1117
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,480
the search that uh ensued

1118
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,400
um with with dogs

1119
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,119
nothing was picked up that if there was

1120
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,960
somebody else out there in the woods

1121
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,520
wouldn't their scent have been picked up

1122
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,880
and maybe

1123
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,960
uh you know what i mean and would have

1124
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:45,040
led them to gentry tower or somewhere

1125
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,599
else

1126
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,920
the trackers you know were going by

1127
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,240
footprints and the dogs were confirming

1128
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,680
what they were finding that

1129
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:54,079
you know i left the truck went up to

1130
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,119
where i was hit

1131
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,400
and that was it um there was no scent

1132
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,680
anyplace else

1133
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:01,599
and these were you know tracking dogs

1134
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,720
from the

1135
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:05,760
state prison or over at winslow

1136
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,040
and um wouldn't

1137
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:12,400
now this is just my mind trying to

1138
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,280
resolve this

1139
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,400
travis but

1140
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,599
it would have had to have been

1141
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,640
a monstrosity of a spotlight

1142
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:25,680
not not some thing that you're out there

1143
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:27,280
tracking deer with right we're talking

1144
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:28,559
about something that would be in front

1145
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:29,359
of man's

1146
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:33,599
chinese theater at a movie premiere

1147
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:36,720
yeah and you know um as time went on

1148
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,160
more witnesses came forward uh

1149
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:41,839
a couple that were deer hunting in the

1150
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,760
area another guy that was

1151
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,440
boating or something over there at black

1152
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,040
canyon lake and

1153
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,160
they described the departure of this

1154
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,599
object um that matches up with uh what

1155
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:57,359
the crew saw

1156
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:00,880
now uh the

1157
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:04,880
uh the and they weren't just reporting

1158
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,359
that to

1159
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,000
us right they were also reporting it to

1160
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:09,359
the sheriff that was in the sheriff's

1161
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,480
file

1162
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:13,200
i have the names of these people that

1163
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:13,920
that saw

1164
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,040
the departure so it's uh

1165
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:19,040
it's not like this wannabe filmmaker

1166
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,160
that's claiming

1167
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,640
this this witness told me this and this

1168
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,720
one confided this and i'm saying this

1169
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,640
and here's my other secret source you

1170
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,240
know that is just such

1171
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,359
phony garbage yeah it it

1172
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,400
it appears to be uh nothing but that

1173
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,599
travis and i wanted to ask you

1174
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,400
this uh this other i it seems like a

1175
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,160
strange question to ask

1176
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:45,119
but the site has been documented not

1177
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,599
only

1178
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,559
by uh the sheriff's department and all

1179
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,040
everybody else in the logging crew and

1180
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,240
and where all of this happened is

1181
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,520
what about i mean is it possible

1182
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,599
that you guys were just on the wrong

1183
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:02,160
road and you were actually at gentry

1184
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:02,720
tower

1185
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:06,000
and and everybody was just mistaken

1186
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,880
about

1187
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,359
the actual abstractions absolutely

1188
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,480
impossible

1189
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,400
i mean we if we were that stupid we

1190
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,559
couldn't even do the job for hell's sake

1191
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,280
everybody out there can tell you uh

1192
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:20,880
within a couple of feet of where we were

1193
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,640
when this happened and uh every every

1194
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,400
sort of theory to try to

1195
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,640
knock it down explain it away was

1196
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:30,559
leveled at us right off the bat

1197
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,839
and mike rogers did a fantastic job of

1198
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,000
pushing back against these people

1199
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,119
showing how their stuff was

1200
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:42,720
impossible that it was basically lies or

1201
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,079
uh logically just impossible but

1202
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,599
they're trying to make a claim out of

1203
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:50,240
something that has no basis

1204
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,720
um there was one example

1205
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,359
mike and i were on a show with uh larry

1206
00:54:03,549 --> 00:53:59,680
king and uh

1207
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:03,559
the skeptic there was trying to claim

1208
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,200
simultaneously that when i hit the

1209
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,960
ground

1210
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,680
which was rocky it should have bruised

1211
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:12,960
me which would have

1212
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,920
shown in my medical exam afterwards but

1213
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:17,839
then at the same time

1214
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,359
the same uh ground that i'm standing on

1215
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,599
is covered with a thick carpet of pine

1216
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:25,680
needles that should have caught fire and

1217
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,160
burned

1218
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,040
that's how goofy the kinds of uh

1219
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,520
accusations that were being made

1220
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,800
uh back at the time even even back then

1221
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,400
there you know that that

1222
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,760
that gentry tower nonsense

1223
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:42,400
came up briefly but it was very quickly

1224
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:43,200
um

1225
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,640
rejected by the major skeptics i mean

1226
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:48,000
these are people who wanted to shoot it

1227
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,040
down if they could

1228
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:51,119
and they did they didn't latch onto that

1229
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,720
because it was just goofy

1230
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:55,920
impossible i mean no way

1231
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,839
now for this uh to

1232
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,520
have been a hoax you know some big

1233
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:02,960
conspiracy with you

1234
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,079
and and the rest of the the logging crew

1235
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,720
um that would mean travis and correct me

1236
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:10,880
if i'm wrong but that would mean

1237
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,839
that everybody would have to have been

1238
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:14,640
in on it

1239
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,920
from the word go that all of this would

1240
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:20,880
have had to have been rehearsed and

1241
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,480
and so convincingly told that everybody

1242
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,400
is going to pass a polygraph too

1243
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,359
as well well that's the thing that if

1244
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:31,440
you understand the science of

1245
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:34,240
polygraph is just absolutely impossible

1246
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:35,359
you know what we

1247
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:39,440
described was what we saw period

1248
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,119
the um uh 45

1249
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:46,480
years has gone by and

1250
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,000
the story the event the case

1251
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,480
has not changed right nothing nothing

1252
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:53,440
has changed

1253
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,200
and nothing has been elevated how could

1254
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:00,720
uh i i'm just asking you to postulate

1255
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,200
here

1256
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,839
how could everybody keep the same story

1257
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,319
for 45 years

1258
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,240
well and here's another thing we weren't

1259
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,400
a bunch of buddies we didn't hang out

1260
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,760
together after work you know um

1261
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,680
a lot of them just you know they had

1262
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,200
their own lives and

1263
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:20,480
and after the day's work you know they'd

1264
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,040
go

1265
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:23,520
do their own thing or whatever so it

1266
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,319
wasn't

1267
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,559
any kind of a close-knit group of

1268
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:28,799
conspirators

1269
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:32,880
is it um is it uh

1270
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:36,480
is it possible um that

1271
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,319
how do i could all of this have been

1272
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,599
imagined and and that part of it

1273
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,599
right and that area in the world's been

1274
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,040
tried in that regard

1275
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,160
right and it's it's just goofy

1276
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,359
i mean to the extent that um you know

1277
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:54,880
there is a fault line there

1278
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,319
geologically and earthquake lights let

1279
00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:00,000
lightning come out of the ground instead

1280
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,440
of out of the sky

1281
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,440
and supposedly that was going to make me

1282
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:05,280
hallucinate that this happened

1283
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,559
but um if you get hit by lightning and

1284
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:11,520
somehow it operates on your brain it's

1285
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,559
not going to affect

1286
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:15,760
seven people with exactly the same

1287
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,799
series of events it's just absurd

1288
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,880
so you know explain it away as a

1289
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:21,920
delusion

1290
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,559
oh yeah they were all hallucinating on

1291
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,359
drugs

1292
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:27,280
you're out there with dangerous

1293
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,400
equipment

1294
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,400
you know cutting trees that you know you

1295
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,720
drop one on you it can kill you you know

1296
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:35,280
and nobody's going to be stoned out of

1297
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,559
their mind

1298
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:39,520
uh and there's certainly not seven

1299
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,000
people

1300
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,400
identically stoned i mean that's just

1301
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:43,839
totally ridiculous

1302
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,280
but the main thing is with all this talk

1303
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,880
about drugs and drugs and

1304
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:51,440
it was all hallucination the bottom line

1305
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:52,240
was

1306
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,000
i had blood and urine samples

1307
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,520
taken by the maricopa county medical

1308
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,040
examiner

1309
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,319
which traced zero

1310
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,280
drugs of any kind in my body so all

1311
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:09,119
these crazy theories all these people

1312
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,000
saying oh

1313
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,559
when they found travis his his stomach

1314
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,480
was covered with dirty needle marks

1315
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,720
this guy's just making it up they're all

1316
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,240
just trying to be important

1317
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,720
and and you wouldn't believe how wild

1318
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,079
some of these uh

1319
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,400
things get when they're trying to make

1320
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,400
up a story and attach

1321
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,640
themselves to some something that's in

1322
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,920
the news or something

1323
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,880
trying to be important now there's a uh

1324
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:35,040
another part to this we're gonna

1325
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:38,319
jump into at length after the break

1326
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:43,200
but after uh mike decides to come back

1327
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,040
and and you're gone how long

1328
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,240
was it before they got to town and

1329
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,799
reported everything to the sheriff

1330
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,520
well that's their story you know and uh

1331
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,680
i'm sure mike could tell a very

1332
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:00,799
accurate uh um

1333
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,349
but um and my point to this um

1334
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:12,079
and we'll discuss this after the break

1335
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:12,880
is

1336
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,160
there were a lot of things that i'm sure

1337
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,720
when uh you know the sheriff starts

1338
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,880
getting reports like this

1339
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:23,040
um and it's you know it's been well

1340
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,079
documented

1341
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,079
about jumping to conclusions like maybe

1342
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,240
they were covering up something

1343
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,280
and but there was um

1344
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:34,559
a certain amount of time that was spent

1345
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:37,920
before the search started

1346
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:41,839
right yeah there was um

1347
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,200
um from you know what they tell me

1348
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:46,799
because i was not there

1349
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:50,240
at that time but uh they were you know

1350
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,760
um in some many ways the the police the

1351
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:54,960
sheriff

1352
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,520
were trying to deal with something that

1353
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,960
they had no precedence

1354
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,200
i mean it was just you know what is

1355
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,480
going on here

1356
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,520
obviously these guys are shook up some

1357
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:08,000
something definitely terrible and

1358
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,200
they're trying to explain the

1359
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,280
disappearance of their co-worker

1360
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,559
so aha they killed him and his body

1361
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,119
stashed out there somewhere and so that

1362
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:18,640
became the focus

1363
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,000
and and you know what probably rightly

1364
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:25,040
so i mean you're gonna if you're gonna

1365
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:25,440
think

1366
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,799
i don't blame them either

1367
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,640
travis deal with this stuff all the time

1368
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,400
you know they deal with

1369
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,280
people who kill people travis stay right

1370
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,880
there we got to take a break

1371
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,400
this is fade to black i'm your host

1372
01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:40,480
jimmy church tonight travis walton we

1373
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,680
are revisiting

1374
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:45,760
1975. that's right i'm your host jimmy

1375
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,480
church

1376
01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:48,240
this is fade to black stay with us we'll

1377
01:01:05,109 --> 01:00:57,150
be right back

1378
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,119
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01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,280
this is fade to black with jimmy church

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01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:09,599
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01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,640
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01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:17,119
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01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:18,160
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01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,360
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01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:23,599
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01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,520
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01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:14,880
am your host jimmy church

1496
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:17,680
tonight travis walton is here we're

1497
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,400
revisiting 1975. i'm going to pick this

1498
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,599
thing apart we're going to put this

1499
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,440
thing to bed

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01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,319
with the one and only travis walton and

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01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,559
and travis

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01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,720
sorry frog in my throat i want to thank

1503
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:32,160
you for taking the time

1504
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,000
um uh tonight uh to to go through

1505
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,359
all of this once again and uh

1506
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:42,480
you know and in in in the most honest of

1507
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:43,119
ways

1508
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:46,160
uh i i feel for you man i feel for you

1509
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:46,880
to

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01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,720
that you've been dealing with this for

1511
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,240
45 years

1512
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,760
and here we are you know we need to have

1513
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:56,079
people taking these absurd

1514
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:00,319
claims seriously good grief if you knew

1515
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:03,760
the bizarre lies that this guy uh

1516
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:08,000
was telling to um it was actually trying

1517
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:09,119
to

1518
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:12,559
um instigate trouble between

1519
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:16,240
mike rogers and travis walton he uh

1520
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:19,680
he saw the things that were being said

1521
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:24,480
and he had a pretty sophisticated plan

1522
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:29,280
to take and manipulate mike

1523
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:32,799
using the intensity of his emotion

1524
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:35,839
to achieve a whole bunch of

1525
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:39,359
stuff that was just total bs

1526
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,799
starting with starting with claiming

1527
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,880
that the year before when i've been

1528
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,039
discussing a documentary

1529
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:49,039
um it was very brief because once i

1530
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:50,319
found out he was

1531
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,520
a gentry tower person i just said well

1532
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,559
goodbye i

1533
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:57,359
got nothing more to discuss with you so

1534
01:08:02,950 --> 01:07:58,720
i left but

1535
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:02,960
um broke it off but he

1536
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:06,480
faked um communication

1537
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:09,680
supposedly to show that i was going to

1538
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:10,319
do

1539
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:13,760
make mike

1540
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:16,640
jealous to fan the flames of anger and

1541
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:17,600
everything

1542
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,229
mike's normally a pretty sharp guy and

1543
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:25,759
he's not going to fall for

1544
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,600
being manipulated like that but um

1545
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,480
it kind of disappointed me that he could

1546
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,600
be taking that far

1547
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:35,839
field let me tell you about some of the

1548
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:36,960
lies this guy

1549
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,080
was telling in order to piss mike off

1550
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:42,480
uh which of course if if i'd really said

1551
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,759
these things he

1552
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:46,159
he had every right to be pissed off but

1553
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:46,799
uh

1554
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:49,040
claiming that i was going around

1555
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,000
bragging

1556
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:53,679
that i had boxed muhammad ali

1557
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,199
and that mike was my quote water boy

1558
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:59,679
now that's a slap in the face kind of a

1559
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:00,400
thing

1560
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:03,679
that it never happened it's preposterous

1561
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:12,149
in the ufos and he came to the area here

1562
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,440
but i just never managed to hook up with

1563
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,199
him even though he

1564
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,400
was in the training in the uh airplane

1565
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:22,400
hangar where

1566
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:25,600
i had uh done my private pilot training

1567
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,400
and where

1568
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:29,440
mike's brother charles had also trained

1569
01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:30,560
with me

1570
01:09:36,670 --> 01:09:42,309
[Laughter]

1571
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:45,510
i mean how could somebody even say that

1572
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,799
i mean make something up like that and

1573
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,440
and and would think that somebody would

1574
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:53,199
believe it i mean that's like the

1575
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,159
craziest

1576
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:57,360
thing i've ever heard travis yeah well i

1577
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,080
i'm sure

1578
01:10:01,669 --> 01:10:00,239
mike didn't think that i believed it but

1579
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,679
he he was

1580
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:03,840
taking this guy's word that i had said

1581
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,880
it and i did not say any such thing

1582
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:09,280
that's just totally ridiculous

1583
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:12,159
and there's even more really bizarre

1584
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,360
things

1585
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,000
that i'm supposed to have done which

1586
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,560
were designed to provoke mike

1587
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:21,120
now um uh right before the break i want

1588
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,080
to circle back

1589
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,480
um you know we were talking about you

1590
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,120
know dogs and tracking and

1591
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:30,960
you know picking up scents and things um

1592
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,560
you uh for you

1593
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:37,280
if you if you were just traipsing

1594
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,320
through the forest

1595
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:41,199
up there you would have left a trail

1596
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:41,520
that

1597
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,040
any good hunting dog worth its weight

1598
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,800
would have picked up they had all of

1599
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:48,239
your absolutely

1600
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:52,320
absolutely unless you left on a ship

1601
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,679
right and were not there well yeah there

1602
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:57,920
was absolutely no

1603
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:01,360
trace or a sign of any travel away from

1604
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:01,760
that

1605
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,120
area of course because

1606
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,320
that's not what happened but the one

1607
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:10,560
theory that the debunkers put out

1608
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:14,000
was that my mother had hidden me

1609
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,679
in a cabin 10 or 12 15 miles away i

1610
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,840
don't know

1611
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:22,560
however the little convenient thing that

1612
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:22,960
they

1613
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:26,320
story

1614
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:30,239
is that my mother took lie detector

1615
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,280
tests

1616
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:33,520
from the state police just like the crew

1617
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,480
did

1618
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:37,679
were you at any time hiding your son no

1619
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,800
did you know where he was no so people

1620
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:42,880
who tell that story

1621
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,040
and don't uh that leave that out

1622
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,000
are deliberately lying half truth is is

1623
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,000
a full lie

1624
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,040
how um how is

1625
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,920
it uh this is this is what is crazy to

1626
01:12:03,750 --> 01:11:59,040
me

1627
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:03,760
how bad would the dogs had to have been

1628
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:07,040
to not pick up anything anywhere i mean

1629
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,159
what are the odds of that

1630
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,239
if if you leave your scent you're going

1631
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:12,719
to get caught travis

1632
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,040
well yeah and they there was actually

1633
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:16,719
mike described seeing

1634
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:19,440
my footprints from where i'd hopped out

1635
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,400
of the truck

1636
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:23,760
and and moved up the hill there so um

1637
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:26,640
they had a they knew where to start so

1638
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:27,600
the dogs

1639
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,960
um and again uh i i know that you

1640
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:31,840
weren't there

1641
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:35,120
but from the testimony of everybody else

1642
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,400
and of course

1643
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,880
you know law enforcement the dogs

1644
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:40,320
tracked to the spot

1645
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,750
yeah that's when that's what they said

1646
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:47,280
yeah right and and

1647
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,719
and the and and the trails stopped there

1648
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,440
right just ended there now i suppose if

1649
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,280
they had taken the dogs way down the

1650
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,880
hill where we had been

1651
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:59,440
working earlier that day my scent would

1652
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,480
have been

1653
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:02,480
all over the place just like it was with

1654
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,600
the uh

1655
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,679
with the other guys that were working

1656
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:06,640
but as far as

1657
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,080
that you know we had already um

1658
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,360
were on our way out of the woods and

1659
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,760
we got headed home so considerable

1660
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:18,159
distance from where we'd been working

1661
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:21,840
did uh did did anybody search for you

1662
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:24,400
near gentry tower how far out to the

1663
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,040
search

1664
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:28,960
uh perimeter go well i don't know

1665
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,520
but i'm sure it was as thorough as they

1666
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,120
thought it needed to be

1667
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:36,560
um i i hadn't heard but

1668
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,920
um like i said i knew of one reporter

1669
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:41,120
that had

1670
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:44,880
been in that place and had

1671
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,880
observed some government investigators

1672
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,320
coming by

1673
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:53,360
and so the idea that it would just be

1674
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:56,880
uh some kind of a like a remote cabin

1675
01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:59,520
somebody could use is just ridiculous

1676
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,880
you know it would have been

1677
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,480
as a matter of fact that's what they

1678
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:05,920
found out that

1679
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:10,159
it was being manned at the time because

1680
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:13,840
the job is to be up high and spot the

1681
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,640
fires

1682
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,960
as soon as they start so you can get a

1683
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,239
crew over there and

1684
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,400
put it out before it gets very big you

1685
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:22,000
know and they had actually come and got

1686
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,120
us before

1687
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:26,080
to go fight forest fire because we're

1688
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:27,360
equipped

1689
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:31,199
experienced now um

1690
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:36,560
uh on uh approximately five days passed

1691
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:40,320
and uh when you got back like you said

1692
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:40,880
they took

1693
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:45,280
uh he obviously needed uh medical help

1694
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,920
um lack of food and water and

1695
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,840
nourishment for five days

1696
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,880
um and they went and and took all of

1697
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,159
these tests

1698
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,679
um were they able to see if you had

1699
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,320
eaten or you know i i i don't know what

1700
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,480
those tests would be on your blood

1701
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:05,120
uh to see well the signs of according to

1702
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:06,239
the doctor

1703
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:09,840
signs of starvation would be elevated

1704
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:12,080
ketones

1705
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,760
and the other tests they were looking at

1706
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:16,800
was

1707
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:20,480
the dehydration which is pretty extreme

1708
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:23,920
which i was working very hard on remedy

1709
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,320
you know

1710
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,679
give me a drink of water give me another

1711
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:27,600
drink of water kind of a thing

1712
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,000
but um the elevated ketones

1713
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,280
would have been a sign that you know

1714
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,520
it you know whether they were you know

1715
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:39,120
and didn't have enough food to keep me

1716
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:40,880
alive or something like that

1717
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:44,800
is probably less likely than maybe um

1718
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:48,320
part of the medical treatment you know

1719
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:51,520
in in hindsight that perhaps

1720
01:16:03,750 --> 01:15:59,750
um do whatever it would take to

1721
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:03,760
have my system not start breaking down

1722
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:06,800
my body for food right right right

1723
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,679
right right i i think that is such a uh

1724
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:11,360
an interesting point

1725
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,360
when there's so much

1726
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,719
um evidence here there's the eyewitness

1727
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:20,080
testimony of course of

1728
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:23,360
everybody but and the polygraph test

1729
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,000
and and the search that happened and

1730
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:27,840
everything else that is in play

1731
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:30,159
well the blood and urine samples were

1732
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,440
taken

1733
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,920
by the maricopa county medical examiner

1734
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,120
you know

1735
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:37,520
that went straight to law enforcement

1736
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:38,640
laboratory

1737
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,159
so um all these theories they get

1738
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:44,159
back in their face because there is

1739
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:45,520
stuff that doesn't work but there's

1740
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:49,040
other stuff that's interesting um

1741
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,719
i had an eeg

1742
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:56,080
and an ekg

1743
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:00,400
and the idea being to look for

1744
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,840
signs of neurological consequences of

1745
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:06,000
being hit by this blast of energy

1746
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:10,320
and um this was a very sophisticated

1747
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,310
medical insta installation there in

1748
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,679
phoenix

1749
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:20,560
barrow's neurological was where muhammad

1750
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:21,280
ali

1751
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:25,520
did go when um he developed problems

1752
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:29,280
and so um that's the kind of

1753
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:32,719
level of skill that i was

1754
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:36,719
had subjected to

1755
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:39,760
and the discovery of this

1756
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:42,800
unusual pattern was

1757
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,560
interesting to me because the technician

1758
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:49,920
was not informed of who i was or what it

1759
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,560
happened i

1760
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,560
was and connected this thing that was in

1761
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:53,760
the news you know

1762
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:56,960
so um the idea that

1763
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,440
um there's something unusual happening

1764
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,199
here in this technician

1765
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,960
is totally objective it's what's called

1766
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,640
double blind he's just

1767
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,960
you know commenting on well there's

1768
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:09,199
there's this unusual pattern there

1769
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:12,800
well um i had

1770
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:16,880
other um eeg

1771
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:20,400
done uh later

1772
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,239
that did not have that pattern

1773
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,600
so to me that sounds like perhaps

1774
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,440
there was some sort of neurological

1775
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:31,280
after effects that weren't

1776
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:34,640
completely resolved at the time the test

1777
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:35,679
was done

1778
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,040
the first time the um uh

1779
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:42,239
i want to bounce back uh to something i

1780
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,800
was uh

1781
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:45,199
talking to peter robbins uh about

1782
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:46,400
yesterday

1783
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:50,080
when you guys are are in the truck and

1784
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:51,600
you're driving

1785
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:55,440
and you see what you think is a forest

1786
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:56,000
fire

1787
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:01,520
through the trees um what color was that

1788
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,400
well no that's kind of been exaggerated

1789
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,000
not a forest fire

1790
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,480
but you know we it was deer hunting

1791
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,600
season

1792
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,920
we had heard shooting in the distance

1793
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,520
you know during our breaks

1794
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:15,520
when our chainsaws weren't revved up

1795
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:16,880
making noise

1796
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,880
and um so seeing this faint glow through

1797
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,400
the trees

1798
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,280
made us wonder about that briefly could

1799
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:26,880
it be a forest fire

1800
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,520
could it be hunters uh camped up there

1801
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:30,800
or something like that

1802
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:34,320
um so it wasn't a

1803
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,840
a forest fire would have been quite

1804
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,679
alarming and we we were

1805
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,040
you know that was pretty quickly

1806
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,760
dismissed and um

1807
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:44,239
we didn't really discuss what we were

1808
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:45,280
looking at we just

1809
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,960
everybody kind of got kind of silent and

1810
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,719
we're looking in the same direction so i

1811
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,480
know

1812
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,800
the crew were seeing it at the same time

1813
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:56,640
but not really saying oh

1814
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:00,400
what's that i don't recall that being

1815
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:03,679
um a major feature of what happened

1816
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,239
there

1817
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,120
now when we did break into the clearing

1818
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:09,440
where we could see this object

1819
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,960
you know i think it was alan yells out

1820
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:14,800
it's a flying saucer

1821
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,000
you know or probably that that was the

1822
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:19,679
word he used

1823
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,199
and like it wasn't because

1824
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,760
anybody needed to be told what we were

1825
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:28,000
looking at it was just kind of a

1826
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:31,120
um automatic sort of a comment

1827
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:34,880
when you see it well i'm i'm i'm asking

1828
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:38,639
because do you remember uh the color

1829
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:38,960
that

1830
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:46,149
yeah yeah it was a very soft glow

1831
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:49,600
the actual glow from the surface of the

1832
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:50,560
craft

1833
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,400
was soft i don't know what else to

1834
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,080
describe it it's not like

1835
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:58,880
a beam or anything sharp it's so hard to

1836
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,000
look at or anything

1837
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:03,120
right it's just a glowing surface in a

1838
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,320
very gentle kind of

1839
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,120
way that sort of lit up the surroundings

1840
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:08,880
that were closest to it

1841
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:11,920
and um in a kind of a

1842
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,360
you know just cast us sort of a

1843
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:18,400
a glow on things that had a sort of

1844
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:19,679
weird effect to it

1845
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:22,719
yeah and i'm asking because

1846
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,320
um with everybody consulting

1847
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,280
with the producers in the production for

1848
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:30,880
the movie

1849
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,960
um i'm wondering what they described as

1850
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:36,639
the color through the trees

1851
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:39,760
because in the movie i i

1852
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:42,880
think it was almost orange right but

1853
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:43,360
that

1854
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:46,639
well here's the deal they

1855
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:50,880
really loved the title fire in the sky

1856
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,159
and so you know to have that line

1857
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:57,360
in there coming from allen dallas

1858
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:01,199
it looked like a fire

1859
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,040
you know was a way to

1860
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:07,199
kind of link up with the title of the

1861
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:08,400
movie and

1862
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:11,120
movies are fiction it was just a

1863
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,159
dramatization

1864
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:15,600
and i don't think they had much interest

1865
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,520
in being real careful to

1866
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:21,679
uh represent what happened in those

1867
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,560
moments

1868
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:25,760
uh so much for one thing

1869
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,960
that blast of energy that hit me was

1870
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,360
kind of an instantaneous thing it's kind

1871
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:34,080
of boom like a rifle shot or something

1872
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:37,360
and uh in the movie they they

1873
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:39,040
what if somebody was bending over to

1874
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:40,800
pick up their popcorn and they missed

1875
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:41,120
that

1876
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:44,320
you know so they dragged it out and made

1877
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:45,040
that

1878
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:48,880
section a little longer um

1879
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,040
and to um

1880
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:56,080
you know the the beam came on held the

1881
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:57,120
actor

1882
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,000
lifted him up and then tossed him back

1883
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:01,679
and so you know they were just

1884
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,189
milk that one yeah yeah dramatic effect

1885
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,719
yes and it's understandable you know

1886
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,080
because

1887
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,840
you really do want people to understand

1888
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:17,840
what happened there

1889
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:21,120
um and i i only bring that up because

1890
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:24,639
um what you

1891
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:28,480
and the rest of the crew saw forever

1892
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:31,520
you know whatever how length of uh time

1893
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,480
that was

1894
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:35,120
it would be the opposite of a

1895
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:36,560
searchlight

1896
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:42,080
or a floodlight uh in in gentry tower

1897
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:45,199
oh yeah that that is so ridiculous so

1898
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:45,840
absurd

1899
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:48,639
so beyond anything that could possibly

1900
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,280
be

1901
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,280
nobody takes that serious not even the

1902
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:52,560
debunkers

1903
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:56,480
you know um that that's an idiot theory

1904
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:00,560
but just ridiculous it's absurd

1905
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:04,639
now um were you guys um

1906
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:07,760
uh from the relation of gentry tower to

1907
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:09,040
the

1908
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:16,400
gentry tower is west by whatever five

1909
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:17,520
miles

1910
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,199
um which direction were you guys driving

1911
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,760
at the time were you were you going west

1912
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,600
to east

1913
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,920
we were going up south where we would

1914
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,280
hit the rim road

1915
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:31,840
and then we would head west but we

1916
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:32,560
wouldn't

1917
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,920
go so far as gentry tower which is

1918
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,760
quite a bit farther down the road we

1919
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:38,960
would turn and

1920
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,159
towards heber which would be north and

1921
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:44,960
head on home from there and uh

1922
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,320
um there's just um

1923
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,639
no connection with the gentry tower

1924
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:51,600
thing yeah

1925
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,880
and and and which is which is again my

1926
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:55,920
point

1927
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:59,120
you guys weren't driving towards gentry

1928
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,000
tower

1929
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:03,600
you guys were um headed

1930
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,120
headed home yeah and

1931
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:09,920
it would not be normal for us to drive

1932
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:10,400
past

1933
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:14,000
gentry tower and we weren't we didn't

1934
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:14,719
and

1935
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:18,080
it just never happened the um

1936
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:21,440
the the other part to this um

1937
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:24,560
and it has been mentioned um

1938
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:27,920
that you hallucinated

1939
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,480
or that you found yourself inside of

1940
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,000
gentry tower

1941
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:34,480
and you mistook that for the inside of a

1942
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:35,600
flying saucer

1943
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:38,840
no don't laugh travis okay you're

1944
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,840
laughing

1945
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,360
i think the people that come up with

1946
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,800
those theories are the ones who are

1947
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:46,960
hallucinating that is just

1948
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:50,080
so preposterous um the

1949
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:53,360
um gentry tower is a giant rectangle

1950
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:54,239
it's a

1951
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,880
you know i've seen this filmmaker um

1952
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:01,280
pictures of it it's actually the first

1953
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:02,239
i've ever

1954
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,800
seen of what that tower looks like

1955
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:08,719
i had heard about it and mentioned it in

1956
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,239
regard to

1957
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:13,440
uh the reporter who

1958
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:17,360
had been working there when the

1959
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:20,800
uh federal crew came through

1960
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,199
taking measurements and um

1961
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,920
she was a supporter and uh it was

1962
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:29,520
interesting that she

1963
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:32,719
had witnessed these guys and i thought

1964
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:33,199
it was

1965
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:36,880
unusual that they would be taking

1966
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:40,239
magnetic readings on the ground instead

1967
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:41,040
of

1968
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:45,440
aerially like i understood

1969
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:49,360
that normally be what they were

1970
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:52,560
doing or why

1971
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:55,040
uh never got to the bottom of that one

1972
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:56,159
that's interesting

1973
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,360
when we come back after the break i want

1974
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,159
to uh talk about the documentary

1975
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:07,440
um uh travis that jennifer stein did

1976
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:10,480
uh i i was um

1977
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:12,639
i remember i was with you uh when the

1978
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,040
film was released and jennifer

1979
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,320
and uh you guys gave me uh

1980
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,800
a copy of the documentary and i went and

1981
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:22,239
watched it

1982
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,080
and i was so impressed

1983
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,120
but yet a little bit jealous

1984
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:31,679
that jennifer was able to pull that film

1985
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,320
off

1986
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,880
and and getting everybody together it

1987
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:35,920
was just so

1988
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:39,199
impressive are you still in contact uh

1989
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:42,480
with everybody on the crew today

1990
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:46,000
right yeah as a matter of fact i've can

1991
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:46,960
you say with

1992
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:50,560
great certainty that uh i probably had

1993
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:51,120
the very

1994
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:54,880
last contact with dwayne smith

1995
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,480
with some difficulty i had located him

1996
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:00,400
after years of him

1997
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,760
not being around and i did an

1998
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,159
interview that i recorded so i still

1999
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:08,159
have that and him standing by

2000
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:10,719
what happened right to the end and i was

2001
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,280
saying

2002
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:13,360
well i'd like you to come out and speak

2003
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:15,040
with me and he said

2004
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:18,639
well i've lost so much of my teeth here

2005
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:19,120
i

2006
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:29,920
and so um that was the

2007
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:33,760
last thing i'd heard from him and um

2008
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:38,320
his daughter had promised to get me

2009
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,840
some pictures of him in his air force

2010
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,199
uniform can you imagine somebody in the

2011
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,840
air force the six foot five but

2012
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:47,679
i thought you had to be small to be in

2013
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:50,560
the air force but uh

2014
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:52,880
i think it would be a great picture yeah

2015
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:53,920
i think i should

2016
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,960
get my teeth worked on too before i go

2017
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,239
out into public

2018
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,639
that's uh that's such an honest thing to

2019
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:02,800
say but you're still in contact

2020
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,920
uh with everybody and including in a

2021
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:08,560
strange way even mike rogers

2022
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,159
yeah even mike rogers i got a

2023
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:15,440
text from him just an hour or so ago

2024
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:18,400
um got a phone call from steve two days

2025
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:19,440
ago

2026
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:23,120
and john he he posts stuff online

2027
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,280
all the time because he's a long-haul

2028
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:26,639
trucker so he

2029
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:28,880
he sees some pretty interesting stuff

2030
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,080
pretty pretty cool stuff

2031
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,199
out there and so he's from one end of

2032
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:35,040
the country all the time you know

2033
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:38,480
all and so that's kind of cool that he

2034
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:41,280
checks in with us there was one story

2035
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:42,639
that was pretty cool

2036
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,600
um he was at a truck stop and this guy

2037
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:47,440
tried to rob him

2038
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:52,080
and so he uh kicked this guy's ass

2039
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,280
and took his knife with him and the guy

2040
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,280
was actually reporting it at the police

2041
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,120
and complaining

2042
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,480
that john had taken his knife and it was

2043
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:04,320
an attempted robbery

2044
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:07,360
it was a pretty good laugh that is

2045
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:08,080
amazing

2046
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:11,760
we got to take a break this is fade to

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01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:13,920
black i'm your host jimmy church tonight

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01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,280
travis walton we are revisiting 1975 why

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because we have to more with travis

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jimmy church on the game changing

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[Music]

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so

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,600
host jimmy church tonight travis

2116
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:14,080
walton is here more with travis in just

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a second

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2157
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you need your own vpn too my man

2158
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yeah sounds like something i could use

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you need

2160
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:56,239
uh we're talking about uh jennifer stein

2161
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,440
right before the break and her

2162
01:36:04,629 --> 01:35:59,679
documentary is is amazing

2163
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:04,639
but it was for me uh to be jealous

2164
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:09,119
she worked so hard to get everybody

2165
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:12,239
um into this documentary to

2166
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:15,840
tell their story that

2167
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,080
a tremendous achievement but this is the

2168
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:19,840
thing travis

2169
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:23,440
45 years 45 years when she made the

2170
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:25,199
documentary okay that was five

2171
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:28,400
six years ago so let's go with 40 years

2172
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:31,760
at the time 40 years anybody could have

2173
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,080
come

2174
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,360
forward and and made these claims uh

2175
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:38,320
anybody on on your crew could have

2176
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,000
changed their story

2177
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:42,560
nobody did for 40 years here we are now

2178
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:45,840
45 years later it's 2021

2179
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:49,840
and i'm not buying into it

2180
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:53,040
if you had 40 or 45 years to come

2181
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:53,760
forward

2182
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,960
and and clear the air they would have

2183
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,360
done it by now right

2184
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:02,000
right and of course you know it requires

2185
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:03,440
lies

2186
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:06,320
lie after law after lie to sell this

2187
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:06,719
this

2188
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:11,360
theory i've ever seen

2189
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:14,719
it's ridiculous and i mean the whole

2190
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:15,199
thing

2191
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:19,840
is very suspicious as far as what it was

2192
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,199
uh in the first place there's

2193
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,520
a suspicion that this is some kind of a

2194
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:25,199
black ops kind of a thing a

2195
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,880
disinformation thing

2196
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,040
even the filmmaker keep making jokes

2197
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:31,199
about black helicopters and

2198
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:35,360
so all this this cynical talk to explain

2199
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:38,960
why he has no address no identity

2200
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:42,800
no track record he kept claiming he had

2201
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:47,520
quote uh contact with the network

2202
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:49,840
and uh i i don't believe there was ever

2203
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:52,320
any network involved at all it's just

2204
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:57,520
something to provoke mike

2205
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,910
the idea that you

2206
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:06,320
and mike were in on it and planned it

2207
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,159
from the beginning

2208
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,280
uh can we address that for a second um

2209
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:13,840
as outrageous of a statement as that is

2210
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:16,719
and for me to even say it um

2211
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,920
that would be pretty pretty tough to

2212
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:21,440
keep under wraps for

2213
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:23,679
for so many years without somebody

2214
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:26,080
coming forward

2215
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,360
well it's not uh and um

2216
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,920
uh what what do you call it an a not

2217
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:35,040
original

2218
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:37,760
theory i think uh philip glass was even

2219
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:38,639
trying to

2220
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,760
claim that mike was the ringleader but

2221
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:44,400
you know the the theories vary depending

2222
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:45,280
on how

2223
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,280
they were trying to make it fit with

2224
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:49,280
various evidence

2225
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:52,960
and uh the bottom line is

2226
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:56,800
we all told the truth and the best

2227
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:00,320
polygraph tests in the world

2228
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:09,189
everybody has stood by it all this time

2229
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:12,239
um i'm sure that mike is listening right

2230
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:12,800
now

2231
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:16,000
i i want to ask you this directly you've

2232
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:16,880
known him for

2233
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:20,400
a long long time um

2234
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:23,440
why why do you think

2235
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,520
in your opinion would he now

2236
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:30,320
uh change not only what he has said in

2237
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:31,440
the past

2238
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,400
but seem to even retract the other

2239
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,400
statements that he has made

2240
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:38,560
he's he's he's kind of gone back and

2241
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:39,760
forth

2242
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,119
over the last year why why do you think

2243
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,080
uh mike would uh would change his story

2244
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,760
and then retract his story and then

2245
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:49,679
change it again

2246
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:53,440
well um he'll deny it but

2247
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:57,360
the bottom line was that he was

2248
01:40:01,350 --> 01:40:00,400
jealous i mean i have statements from

2249
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:01,360
him

2250
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,950
a remake would be the worst possible

2251
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:10,320
thing to happen

2252
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:13,199
it would put him in the limelight again

2253
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:14,239
and make him an

2254
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:18,880
effing god i'll do all i can to stop it

2255
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,280
now now who would say something like

2256
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:23,360
that if they weren't jealous

2257
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,440
you know i don't understand the nature

2258
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:27,520
of the these attacks

2259
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:31,760
and it's kind of absurd

2260
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,199
i think to have a grown man

2261
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,400
drive 40 miles

2262
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,880
on two different occasions to take

2263
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:42,400
pictures

2264
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:46,320
of my messy yard and it is a messy yard

2265
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:50,719
to to make sure that the my

2266
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:54,560
um followers people who are

2267
01:41:02,950 --> 01:40:58,480
looking at my material online

2268
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:02,960
know that i have a terribly messy yard

2269
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:06,639
um what kind of person is going to

2270
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:09,520
go to that kind of trouble that's a long

2271
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:10,239
drive

2272
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,639
to do it twice and uh

2273
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:17,199
vote to what end uh you know i could

2274
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,159
give a [\h__\h]

2275
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,040
you know i mean if i if i was that

2276
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:23,600
embarrassed by how bad my yard is

2277
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:26,880
um it wouldn't be like that so

2278
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:29,679
it was never that big deal in the first

2279
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:30,320
place

2280
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:35,040
but apparently he thought it would um

2281
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:38,239
do what he had threatened to do

2282
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:41,679
you know um destroy my reputation yeah

2283
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:44,960
yeah put it in writing he said give me

2284
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,199
two thousand dollars by friday at 3 pm

2285
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,840
or i will destroy your reputation

2286
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,920
is there any chance of is there any

2287
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:53,440
chance of reconciling uh

2288
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,960
reconciling uh with mike and and moving

2289
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:57,600
forward

2290
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:00,880
positively well if he just

2291
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:04,800
quit it you know he he goes on the radio

2292
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:06,800
attacking me attacking me attacking me

2293
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:10,000
and so i make a private call to the host

2294
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:11,840
and he acts like i did an offense

2295
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,080
against him wait a minute wait a minute

2296
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:17,280
you did two shows attacking me one after

2297
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:18,960
another after another

2298
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:22,159
on the air and then because i attempted

2299
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:23,199
to

2300
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,239
give the host a heads up privately

2301
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:29,760
which he stabbed me in the back and uh

2302
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,440
broadcast later um

2303
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:36,159
it's a kind of a strange reasoning

2304
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:37,199
pattern

2305
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:40,080
but i would like it for him to just

2306
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:40,639
stand

2307
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:45,520
down and stop with a hate campaign

2308
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:49,119
well if anybody this is the truth

2309
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:52,400
um you can see my studio here

2310
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:55,679
and and what is behind me on the cameras

2311
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,400
and it looks all clean and tidy well

2312
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,320
that's what i want the world to see

2313
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,159
the rest if somebody came in here and

2314
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,400
took pictures

2315
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:06,480
they would see they would see the real

2316
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:07,840
studio

2317
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,960
and uh well i i could explain and i've

2318
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:13,360
you know but long before mike ever drew

2319
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,800
attention to it my

2320
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,119
my girlfriend has been aware that that's

2321
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,600
a a big sore spot for me that

2322
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,560
it's one of my goals is to get this all

2323
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:24,880
straightened up uh

2324
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:32,149
when i moved into this house

2325
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:36,080
years and years ago i basically

2326
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:39,040
remodeled everything from top to bottom

2327
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,080
so

2328
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,960
it's not my usual deal what what

2329
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:44,560
happened was

2330
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,590
time spent on no time to finish this

2331
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:53,040
just move on to the next thing

2332
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,360
no time to finish this so there are a

2333
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:57,199
lot of projects that are just sitting

2334
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,000
there

2335
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:00,960
that um didn't get completed but that's

2336
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:02,719
no excuse it's just how it

2337
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,080
how it came to be well this weekend is

2338
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:08,960
is yard work weekend travis i'm just

2339
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:09,679
letting you know

2340
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:12,159
the whole world knows now you got to get

2341
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:13,280
out there

2342
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,119
um well i'm making progress you just

2343
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:17,360
can't tell you won't be able to tell

2344
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:18,239
until

2345
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:21,440
um uh right at the

2346
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:24,639
uh final moments now i wanted to

2347
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,480
you you brought up phillip class and uh

2348
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:31,600
somebody that i mean especially now

2349
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:35,280
and looking back um he had an agenda

2350
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:38,400
i wouldn't doubt if he was you know

2351
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:39,840
being guided by

2352
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:42,960
one of the three letter agencies on

2353
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,960
on so many different levels with so many

2354
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,239
different cases

2355
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:48,320
um well i have some documentation that

2356
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:49,600
points in that direction

2357
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:52,800
yes yes yeah and of information active

2358
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:53,679
files

2359
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:56,960
on him by the fbi

2360
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,080
and then they're turning um

2361
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:02,480
their investigation of him which

2362
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:03,920
revealed

2363
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,760
bad stuff over to the cia

2364
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,000
and this was this was back when the cia

2365
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:11,840
was so secret

2366
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:14,719
that j edgar hoover didn't put the

2367
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:15,600
director's

2368
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:18,639
name on the memo an internal memo

2369
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,520
and it's jadger hoover to director

2370
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:24,320
central intelligence agency

2371
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,320
well didn't he uh i i i

2372
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:31,679
it seemed that he did everything that he

2373
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:32,159
could

2374
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:35,520
within his power to not only debunk the

2375
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:36,320
case

2376
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:39,280
but to defame you as well as an

2377
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:40,560
individual oh yeah

2378
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:43,199
it was terrible stuff but uh you know i

2379
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:45,119
think mike did a fantastic job of

2380
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:46,239
fighting back

2381
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:48,560
and that wound up making philip glass

2382
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:49,679
look

2383
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:55,840
and especially some really cool re

2384
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:59,280
revelations that he was trying to bribe

2385
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:00,800
steve pierce

2386
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:03,360
with a ten thousand dollar offer to get

2387
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:04,159
him to

2388
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:08,320
lie and say it never happened

2389
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:12,000
and uh well travis to

2390
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:15,119
that point to that point let me jump in

2391
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:18,480
you guys are a logging crew

2392
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:21,600
in 1975. nobody was

2393
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,280
rich ten thousand dollars to anybody on

2394
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:27,280
that crew would get them to change their

2395
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:28,000
story

2396
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,040
right yeah you know steve actually

2397
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,840
just said that he momentarily toyed with

2398
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:35,280
the idea

2399
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:38,239
at the time of accepting the offer but

2400
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,280
his wife says

2401
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:41,119
well you say this really happened right

2402
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:42,719
and he goes oh yeah i just want the

2403
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,360
money

2404
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,600
but you know she said no you're not

2405
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,880
you're not doing that

2406
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:49,119
and so you know to escape this kind of

2407
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:50,159
pressure

2408
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:52,639
he changed his name and moved to texas

2409
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:54,000
but philip class

2410
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:57,440
actually found out where he was

2411
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:58,960
went out there took him out to dinner

2412
01:47:01,590 --> 01:47:00,400
and tried to get him to take the ten

2413
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:01,600
thousand dollars

2414
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,679
which of course never happened ten

2415
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:05,600
thousand dollars is a mountain of money

2416
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,080
in 1975. it's a mountain of money still

2417
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,719
today i mean that's a lot of bread yeah

2418
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,800
the curiosity is where's this money

2419
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:14,400
coming from

2420
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,520
you know and so this foia this freedom

2421
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:19,440
of information act file

2422
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,790
j edgar hoover is turning the

2423
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,440
investigation

2424
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,600
of philip glass over to the central

2425
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:31,840
italian intelligence agency

2426
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:36,159
is very significant to me

2427
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:37,679
it's a huge amount of money they were

2428
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:39,199
investigating him

2429
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:46,149
revealing classified information and i

2430
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:47,840
mean to the point where they were

2431
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:51,440
looking to see had he

2432
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:54,880
purchased radio transmitting equipment

2433
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:58,800
all kinds of things now what about

2434
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:02,239
uh the the other part of this which is

2435
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:05,440
when we talk about the community up

2436
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:06,800
there it's

2437
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:10,480
not that big um everybody knows

2438
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:12,000
everybody

2439
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,360
there there are so many people that are

2440
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:16,960
involved and i'm talking about friends

2441
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:19,119
and family and co-workers the town

2442
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:22,639
the towns nothing

2443
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:26,159
nothing cracked nobody as far as i know

2444
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,520
travis did anybody come forward uh

2445
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:31,520
back then and say this is a hoax i know

2446
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:34,480
somebody i know the eighth man that was

2447
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,600
in gentry tower did any of this get

2448
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,239
discussed over the years

2449
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,080
well none of that of course because it

2450
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:43,920
was all just bs

2451
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:46,159
anybody that wanted to make up something

2452
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,440
to get attention

2453
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:49,760
was you know pretty obvious you know it

2454
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:51,280
was revealed that

2455
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,080
they're just trying to get attention and

2456
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:56,159
don't have much of a story it fades

2457
01:49:03,109 --> 01:48:59,840
real fast you know this one guy claiming

2458
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,119
just just to get attention i guess that

2459
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:04,960
he used to work with me on the log

2460
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:07,679
landing and that i would come in each

2461
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:08,560
morning

2462
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,400
and put fresh tinfoil inside my hard hat

2463
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,800
this is just totally stupid i i had

2464
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:18,880
never worked with that guy on any log

2465
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,080
landing and

2466
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:22,880
and why would you need to change the

2467
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,040
tinfoil in your hat if that's what

2468
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:28,239
you were concerned about but um it's

2469
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:28,800
just

2470
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:32,159
stories that people told um

2471
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:35,360
to attach themselves to it and be

2472
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,719
significant like like the guy that said

2473
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,199
you know i was at that homecoming party

2474
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:43,199
for travis walton

2475
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:46,800
but um there was a movie device

2476
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:49,040
and it never occurred i didn't have a

2477
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:50,560
homecoming party so

2478
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:54,840
he couldn't have been at that the

2479
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:56,960
uh um

2480
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:00,080
the the other part of this i i don't

2481
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:11,109
yes i was and and and names harder

2482
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:14,320
can you tell me about that well

2483
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,360
um up until that point i was so

2484
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:19,280
traumatized i had not told

2485
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:22,159
anybody not even my brother the details

2486
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:23,760
of what i'd been through

2487
01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:28,000
i was pretty messed up and so

2488
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,040
what the hypnosis did and

2489
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:33,360
you know i'm i'm just amazed dr harger

2490
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:34,560
was so good at this

2491
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,480
that he had us this extremely relaxing

2492
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:40,400
kind of a technique that

2493
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:44,000
took me down into a a state

2494
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:48,560
that put up a barrier between me and the

2495
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:49,679
fear that

2496
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:52,880
these memories brought with them and

2497
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:55,599
so it was the first time that anyone had

2498
01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:56,320
heard

2499
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:59,599
what had happened there was several

2500
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:01,440
psychiatrists in the room medical

2501
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,400
doctors

2502
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:05,520
my brother i don't remember all the

2503
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:07,520
people that were there

2504
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:11,280
what what um uh what i wanted to ask you

2505
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,320
about that there

2506
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:15,440
is your conscious memories

2507
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:18,480
and then through regression

2508
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:22,560
what did you learn from your memory

2509
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,599
versus the regression

2510
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,440
well it wasn't really the regression

2511
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:28,880
where new

2512
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:31,920
new points might have come up

2513
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,360
and uh there was um a time

2514
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:37,440
during the lead-up to the release of the

2515
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:38,480
movie where

2516
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:43,199
i was doing much more um

2517
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:46,159
interviews than i had been and i started

2518
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:48,000
having dreams

2519
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:52,000
about the uh

2520
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:55,360
human-looking uh beings

2521
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:58,159
i went to tracy tormey i said tracy do

2522
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,440
you think these could be like

2523
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:01,280
memories that are kind of like leaking

2524
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:03,440
back through they have a weird

2525
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,800
fear feel feel to them and he goes nah

2526
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,080
it's probably just because you're doing

2527
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:09,920
all these interviews

2528
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:13,199
and then a few years after that i asked

2529
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:14,719
him the same question they had the

2530
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:16,000
opposite opinion

2531
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,440
oh yeah those are probably uh

2532
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,360
repressed memories that are leaking

2533
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,520
through

2534
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:26,080
did you go back and and listen to those

2535
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:26,880
uh

2536
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,000
sessions no i haven't

2537
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,360
that's really hard to do it's

2538
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:35,599
it's the kind of thing where i don't

2539
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:36,480
want to go there

2540
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:39,280
if i don't have to yeah i can only

2541
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:39,840
imagine

2542
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:43,440
i i i don't ever want to get regressed

2543
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,480
i i just don't want to go through it and

2544
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,159
i don't really have one of the crews

2545
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:50,400
steve pierce was regressed and

2546
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:54,560
from my um understanding the description

2547
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:02,070
most unkind i i don't think that the

2548
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:04,400
hypnotist was

2549
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:09,199
putting his um

2550
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:13,280
emotional safety at the top of the list

2551
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:14,719
because he was

2552
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:17,840
definitely freaked out by having to

2553
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:27,109
exactly um and i wanted to ask you this

2554
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:30,320
those those five days um

2555
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:34,000
and your memories of that crystal clear

2556
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:37,280
right i i've asked you details about it

2557
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,639
in the past but

2558
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,639
just crystal clear these are conscious

2559
01:53:51,550 --> 01:53:42,320
memories

2560
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:51,560
you know you're not

2561
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:55,199
360 degrees recording every single thing

2562
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,679
around you below you you know what

2563
01:54:02,310 --> 01:53:59,760
everything you're thinking you know the

2564
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:02,320
impressions and memories that come back

2565
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:03,520
are

2566
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,599
um you know just the way they came in at

2567
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:07,679
the time it happened

2568
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:10,800
and did you did you have any idea

2569
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:13,840
uh that it was uh five days what uh

2570
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:15,760
you know what i mean did it seem like

2571
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:18,080
six hours to you

2572
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,560
oh yeah i thought it was the same night

2573
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:22,400
and uh

2574
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:25,119
that was something that came up i i

2575
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,080
don't know if it was

2576
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:28,560
while we were still in the truck when

2577
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:31,040
when duane first picked me up or

2578
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:33,760
after he got me back to my mom's and was

2579
01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:38,870
you know preserve evidence that might be

2580
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:40,719
on my clothing but

2581
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:43,920
um it became

2582
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:45,599
i think i think it was while we were

2583
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:47,280
still at the phone booth

2584
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:50,880
and he said something about how worried

2585
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,560
my mom had been for

2586
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:55,520
those days and and i said what i thought

2587
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:56,960
it was still the same night

2588
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:00,560
says travis feel your face and i had

2589
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,159
a five-day growth beard and so i knew

2590
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,719
he said you've been you've you've been

2591
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:09,119
gone for five days

2592
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:12,159
what a shock did you um

2593
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:15,920
at any point uh travis um obviously

2594
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:16,719
you're gonna get

2595
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:18,960
interviewed and and you're gonna you

2596
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:19,840
know talk

2597
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:23,360
but for yourself did you ever sit down

2598
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:24,080
and like

2599
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:27,199
write out everything and then

2600
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:29,599
suddenly realize holy crap it was five

2601
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:30,320
days

2602
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:33,360
all of this stuff went down uh

2603
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:36,480
no i i think i was either unconscious

2604
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:45,510
and maybe maybe you know to protect me

2605
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:48,639
you know um it could have been you know

2606
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:50,800
it was pretty grim sorts of treatment

2607
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:52,080
going on there

2608
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:55,199
but uh no

2609
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:57,599
there's not five days of material in my

2610
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:58,719
mind about

2611
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:01,840
what i was going through although you

2612
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:05,199
know i did suspect there was

2613
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:08,560
more involvement with the uh

2614
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:11,840
human looking type the uh the

2615
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,000
i i i think i've asked you this before

2616
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:16,239
but it's been a number of years

2617
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:19,440
um were you awake

2618
01:56:23,910 --> 01:56:21,599
for those five days do you remember

2619
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:23,920
sleeping

2620
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,000
the reason i didn't know five days

2621
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:30,480
had gone by right it was just a period

2622
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:32,960
of total unconsciousness

2623
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:36,000
and uh did you feel

2624
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:39,199
um you know you're in the truck right

2625
01:56:46,629 --> 01:56:43,599
did you feel like exhausted

2626
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:46,639
i mean what was the the physical thing

2627
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:47,520
that you were

2628
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:50,560
when i was returned i was i was a

2629
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:53,920
mess yeah totally and

2630
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:57,280
uh uh i i couldn't have survived a

2631
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:04,229
the uh although um you know i found out

2632
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:06,159
that they did

2633
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:09,280
the operator did listen in on the call

2634
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:10,719
to my family

2635
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:14,800
and send uh deputies over there but they

2636
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:16,560
it was too he's the middle of the night

2637
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:18,159
so they didn't get there in time

2638
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:20,239
but which is just as well because i

2639
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:21,280
couldn't have

2640
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:25,679
tolerated that kind of um

2641
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:28,880
demands right right right and

2642
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:30,960
how long was it before you were able to

2643
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:32,080
uh speak with

2644
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,719
the sheriff um

2645
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:39,040
it was like almost the next day or

2646
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:41,199
something pretty soon afterwards

2647
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:43,599
uh sheriff gillespie actually came to my

2648
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:45,520
brother's house

2649
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:48,960
and did an interview right there i was

2650
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:53,520
pretty messed up and was able to

2651
01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:56,560
he was considerate he didn't

2652
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,750
he had to close out his investigation

2653
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:05,360
and so

2654
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:09,760
naturally the number one priority right

2655
01:58:14,629 --> 01:58:11,199
off the bat would be

2656
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:14,639
for the sheriff to uh you know

2657
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:18,880
speak with the person who had been

2658
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:21,360
possibly murdered or missing or whatever

2659
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:22,960
you know

2660
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:25,520
now the uh we're gonna take a break

2661
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:26,239
right here

2662
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:30,239
um and again you weren't there but

2663
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:33,360
the search went on for five days

2664
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:36,800
right and yeah so there was like a

2665
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:37,920
little brief

2666
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:40,320
interruption the family said hey no you

2667
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:41,520
can't be stopping this

2668
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:44,639
we gotta and so they expanded it but

2669
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:45,360
that's what they're

2670
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:47,760
that's what they told me anyway i don't

2671
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:48,800
know i wasn't there

2672
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:50,800
yeah you weren't there but during the

2673
01:58:56,870 --> 01:58:52,719
these five days also

2674
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:56,880
the crew is getting questioned over and

2675
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:58,560
over again

2676
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:00,719
right oh yeah it was it was pretty

2677
01:59:04,149 --> 01:59:02,000
serious because

2678
01:59:05,430 --> 01:59:04,159
you know they didn't know would i ever

2679
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:05,440
be returned

2680
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:07,280
they didn't know are they going to get

2681
01:59:13,030 --> 01:59:09,520
hung for a crime they didn't do

2682
01:59:15,510 --> 01:59:13,040
and so um that intent

2683
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:15,520
you know it was just the feeling of the

2684
01:59:19,109 --> 01:59:16,960
suspicion

2685
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:19,119
and the things that were being said just

2686
01:59:22,629 --> 01:59:20,400
you know john

2687
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:22,639
walking down the street and people yell

2688
01:59:26,950 --> 01:59:24,400
at the window murderer

2689
01:59:27,510 --> 01:59:26,960
and you know that's pretty hard to take

2690
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:27,520
but

2691
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:30,880
um also um

2692
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:34,560
the crew were intensely aware that

2693
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,719
law enforcement had them under suspicion

2694
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:40,320
and you know one or two of the guys that

2695
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:42,080
had had

2696
01:59:49,830 --> 01:59:45,840
brushes with the law in the past

2697
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:49,840
felt that they might be railroaded or

2698
01:59:56,709 --> 01:59:54,639
um you know judged to be

2699
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:56,719
guilty of something that they they knew

2700
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:58,080
they weren't

2701
02:00:02,709 --> 02:00:00,400
let's uh take a break right here travis

2702
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:02,719
and we will be right back this is fade

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02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:05,040
to black our guest tonight travis walton

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02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,400
we are revisiting 1975.

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travis has been hoaxing this whole thing

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gold ownership affordable

2801
02:03:58,069 --> 02:03:55,840
call now and get up to twenty five

2802
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:58,079
hundred dollars in free gold or silver

2803
02:04:02,550 --> 02:03:59,920
with a qualified ira

2804
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:02,560
call eight hundred seven five three

2805
02:04:05,669 --> 02:04:03,360
eight five

2806
02:04:06,470 --> 02:04:05,679
three four that's eight hundred seven

2807
02:04:17,180 --> 02:04:06,480
five three

2808
02:04:23,189 --> 02:04:20,069
[Applause]

2809
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:23,199
you want to know a secret i love

2810
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:27,040
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

2811
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:29,280
i couldn't stay sane without pawn mr

2812
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:30,639
brush

2813
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:33,840
why fade to black because you never got

2814
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:39,199
that pony

2815
02:04:43,669 --> 02:04:41,360
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2816
02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:43,679
on the game changer radio network

2817
02:05:02,149 --> 02:04:52,630
and kgra the global radio alliance

2818
02:05:04,830 --> 02:05:02,159
[Music]

2819
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:04,840
all right welcome back i was busy chop

2820
02:05:10,149 --> 02:05:06,159
chopping

2821
02:05:13,270 --> 02:05:10,159
i love it so tonight travis walton is

2822
02:05:17,189 --> 02:05:13,280
here we're revisiting 1975

2823
02:05:19,430 --> 02:05:17,199
and uh putting these issues to bed

2824
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:19,440
and and travis just to kind of circle

2825
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:20,400
back

2826
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:23,440
and and recap to everybody uh what has

2827
02:05:28,149 --> 02:05:24,719
been going on

2828
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:28,159
there is a a self-professed

2829
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:31,199
uh wannabe filmmaker

2830
02:05:40,069 --> 02:05:36,159
that says that he wanted to do a remake

2831
02:05:43,830 --> 02:05:40,079
of fire in the sky and if i'm wrong

2832
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:43,840
yeah we were talking about a documentary

2833
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:46,960
which was very quickly dropped and made

2834
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:48,719
into nothing but then

2835
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:51,599
how did he report it to mike oh i'm

2836
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:54,000
working with travis on a remake of fire

2837
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:54,719
in the sky

2838
02:06:02,790 --> 02:05:58,560
which is a damn lie and uh

2839
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:02,800
things like telling mike the network

2840
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:05,599
and wouldn't meet travis's price it's

2841
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:06,639
just a damn lie

2842
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:09,599
idea i just cut off all connection with

2843
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:10,880
him i know it wouldn't

2844
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:13,280
no more no martial laws you know and

2845
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:15,360
this guy makes up this story about the

2846
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:16,719
quote network

2847
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:19,199
there is no network there is no network

2848
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:19,840
and

2849
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:23,280
uh no track record um

2850
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:26,480
he hasn't presented anything about

2851
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:30,480
his his history or his cv

2852
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:32,480
or anything else all these mystery

2853
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:33,920
witnesses that he's

2854
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:37,360
not going to reveal who they are right

2855
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,520
so we've got that uh there's been a

2856
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:41,280
couple of

2857
02:06:46,390 --> 02:06:44,400
minor podcasts out there that uh

2858
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:46,400
whatever i'm not gonna give any of that

2859
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:47,760
any publicity but

2860
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:51,040
uh um and and these statements

2861
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:54,880
were made i'm i'm wondering now

2862
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,560
um how quickly uh these

2863
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,400
cockroaches are going to go back and

2864
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:02,480
scurry into the darkness

2865
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:07,280
um the the world is behind you travis

2866
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:10,960
and going after you is not really

2867
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:13,599
the best idea in the world i would i

2868
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:14,480
just don't

2869
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:16,880
i don't get that for a momentary it

2870
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:18,800
doesn't seem like a good career move to

2871
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:19,199
me

2872
02:07:23,629 --> 02:07:22,400
if you were an unknown filmmaker to

2873
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:23,639
start off with these

2874
02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:27,040
preposterous lies about me

2875
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:29,840
having done or said things that that's

2876
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:30,480
not me

2877
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:33,760
at all it's not even i mean it's it's

2878
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:36,639
good grief you know if i i i'm not even

2879
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:38,880
gonna dignify this stuff with a denial

2880
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:39,760
it's it's

2881
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:43,520
absurd the uh

2882
02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:46,560
the other part of this um

2883
02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:50,000
is i've made my statements out there in

2884
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:51,440
social media

2885
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:56,079
and not to go and repeat everything but

2886
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:00,000
the travis walton case has been

2887
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:03,679
researched looked into by

2888
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:06,800
everybody from every angle

2889
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:10,560
for four decades for four decades

2890
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:13,599
and if anything was uh

2891
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:17,679
wrong or if anything didn't feel right

2892
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:19,920
it would have surfaced and that would

2893
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:22,079
have been investigated and

2894
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:24,159
and i just need to make that statement

2895
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:25,280
right now i

2896
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:28,480
i cannot think of another case

2897
02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:31,679
like this this is modern travis

2898
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:35,280
this isn't 1900 this isn't 1940.

2899
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:38,800
this is 1975. um most

2900
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:41,920
of everybody that is involved uh is

2901
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:42,800
still alive

2902
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:46,079
and can be spoken to and uh

2903
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:49,440
except for philip class he's gone

2904
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:52,400
but um but but these are the facts of

2905
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,079
the case travis

2906
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:56,960
and and for me to state it like this i'm

2907
02:09:00,550 --> 02:08:57,360
not

2908
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:00,560
wrong and well you know there is

2909
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:02,480
something i would like to add

2910
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:06,239
about crapola that's being uh revived

2911
02:09:10,069 --> 02:09:09,440
um you know like i said a half truth is

2912
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,079
a full

2913
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:13,280
on lie um there was a show

2914
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:16,560
called the moment of truth and it was a

2915
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:18,079
fraudulent television

2916
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:22,480
show from the get-go it was a fraud

2917
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:26,000
and um so i went on

2918
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:29,280
very foolishly baited with the idea that

2919
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:30,800
they had this five thousand

2920
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:33,840
fifty thousand i know some huge uh

2921
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:37,360
prize money but i was so stupid

2922
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:40,400
uh the the examiner's job was to make

2923
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:41,679
sure nobody ever got

2924
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:46,159
any prize money uh there was a lady that

2925
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:49,360
sued them because they were

2926
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:51,520
saying that she had cheated on her

2927
02:09:57,350 --> 02:09:53,760
husband and she did not

2928
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:57,360
and worse than that

2929
02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:00,239
there was a group of polygraph

2930
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:01,520
professionals

2931
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:04,639
out of new york called global polygraph

2932
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:08,239
that were on that show's case as being

2933
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:11,679
a total fraud and in violation of every

2934
02:10:15,830 --> 02:10:12,560
single

2935
02:10:18,310 --> 02:10:15,840
basic principle of polygraph now

2936
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:18,320
that test supposed test that i

2937
02:10:23,990 --> 02:10:20,960
supposedly flunked

2938
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:24,000
was reviewed by dr

2939
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:27,360
david raskin the author of

2940
02:10:35,189 --> 02:10:31,440
the number one textbook

2941
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:35,199
on polygraph and

2942
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:38,159
declared to be deficient in every way

2943
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:40,000
and not following and not

2944
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:43,199
not capable of

2945
02:10:49,750 --> 02:10:46,320
achieving a meaningful result in any way

2946
02:10:53,270 --> 02:10:49,760
and it's not just dr raskin

2947
02:10:58,790 --> 02:10:56,470
psy gilson the state police polygraph

2948
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:58,800
examiner that tested all of us including

2949
02:11:03,830 --> 02:10:59,840
me

2950
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:03,840
employed

2951
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:06,079
and said there's no way that you could

2952
02:11:10,069 --> 02:11:08,079
get an accurate result with that

2953
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:10,079
well the people that want to resurrect

2954
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:11,599
this stupid old show

2955
02:11:15,109 --> 02:11:13,920
and try to act like aha there was one

2956
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:15,119
that he flunk

2957
02:11:19,910 --> 02:11:18,639
well it was not a test in the first

2958
02:11:23,669 --> 02:11:19,920
place it was all

2959
02:11:26,229 --> 02:11:23,679
just garbage and anybody that um

2960
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,239
you know their fame def claim to fame

2961
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:27,679
was that they

2962
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:31,199
passed with sy gilson has to take

2963
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:34,800
his judgment that the show

2964
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:38,800
was destined to um

2965
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:41,840
never allow a truthful

2966
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:46,239
uh result and the so-called examiner

2967
02:11:50,310 --> 02:11:48,400
died soon after and the show was

2968
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:50,320
cancelled and they were sued from six

2969
02:11:55,830 --> 02:11:52,719
ways from sunday but

2970
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:55,840
people dig up this old crop and

2971
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:58,639
it's embarrassing to me but it has

2972
02:12:04,069 --> 02:11:59,920
nothing to do with

2973
02:12:07,189 --> 02:12:04,079
a good decent straight polygraph

2974
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:07,199
by professionals you know i not only

2975
02:12:11,669 --> 02:12:08,560
took tests

2976
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:11,679
uh in the plural from psy gilson but

2977
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:12,159
also

2978
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:15,360
from um another

2979
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:18,239
organization that did the testing for

2980
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:20,880
the united states marshall

2981
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:24,000
and the new mexico state prison

2982
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:28,000
you know good solid uh respectable law

2983
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:29,360
enforcement

2984
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:33,280
uh polygraph and pacifying colors you

2985
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:34,480
know and

2986
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:36,880
that's the kind of stuff that gets swept

2987
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:37,920
aside there

2988
02:12:44,229 --> 02:12:41,040
for them to say moment of truth aha

2989
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:44,239
right no afraid not i do

2990
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:47,599
i i want to sort of change gears here

2991
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:49,040
but not really

2992
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:52,639
in that uh over the last three years

2993
02:12:56,550 --> 02:12:54,480
certainly the last year and then going

2994
02:13:00,310 --> 02:12:56,560
down to the last three months

2995
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:00,320
ufos uaps have been all over the media

2996
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:03,599
uh ufos and alien contact is

2997
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:06,639
has uh suddenly been

2998
02:13:12,470 --> 02:13:10,960
okay to talk about and i i would like to

2999
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:12,480
circle back and get your thoughts on

3000
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:15,040
that but is it because

3001
02:13:20,550 --> 02:13:17,840
of everything that is happening with

3002
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:20,560
social media in the media right now

3003
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:23,679
that you are being uh

3004
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:27,840
focused on is is that beyond coincidence

3005
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:30,400
well no i think that is a factor here i

3006
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:31,040
was

3007
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:34,159
also invited to a meeting

3008
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:37,760
of a lot of movers and shakers in this

3009
02:13:42,550 --> 02:13:38,719
area

3010
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:42,560
that we haven't done yet but i'll be

3011
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:44,400
going out there

3012
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:48,400
to california in um a week or so

3013
02:13:56,390 --> 02:13:52,079
and we're going to discuss

3014
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:56,400
the remake of fire in the sky and

3015
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:59,440
when i say remake i mean remake i'm not

3016
02:14:04,310 --> 02:14:00,800
talking about some

3017
02:14:07,750 --> 02:14:04,320
petty little documentary that this uh

3018
02:14:09,430 --> 02:14:07,760
wannabe guy is claiming no it was never

3019
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:09,440
gonna be fire in the sky

3020
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:12,480
it was just a documentary very light

3021
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:15,040
discussion that went nowhere

3022
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,280
but this remake thing they contacted me

3023
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:23,280
i'm not i'm not out there you know

3024
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:24,480
asking them to

3025
02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:27,520
consider this so i will

3026
02:14:32,950 --> 02:14:31,119
go out there and discuss this with them

3027
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:32,960
and see what comes up there have been a

3028
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:34,320
number of people

3029
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,239
that said well i can do a remake because

3030
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:38,320
they heard that i was interested in that

3031
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:40,960
but none of them even remotely sounded

3032
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:42,560
like they had the wherewithal

3033
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:46,000
to do a first-class big budget remake

3034
02:14:53,189 --> 02:14:50,000
which is what i'm after it's time

3035
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:53,199
um the interest

3036
02:14:58,950 --> 02:14:56,719
worldwide in this um

3037
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,960
as an all-time high it's not it's not

3038
02:15:03,589 --> 02:15:00,400
faded away

3039
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:03,599
so um it's something that we're going to

3040
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:05,520
pursue

3041
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:09,520
um so we'll be going out there

3042
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:12,400
to have this meeting and see what

3043
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:13,679
develops

3044
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:17,679
now the the other part of this

3045
02:15:22,550 --> 02:15:21,280
is that uh with the uap task force

3046
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:22,560
report

3047
02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:26,400
and its focus on uh

3048
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:29,440
the military and military investigation

3049
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:32,079
and military sightings that's fine but

3050
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:32,560
there

3051
02:15:38,629 --> 02:15:35,599
is a lack of

3052
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:38,639
any civilian involvement of

3053
02:15:46,950 --> 02:15:42,960
of other cases uh like yours

3054
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:46,960
shouldn't there be um some consulting

3055
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:50,159
with the civilian side of their

3056
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:50,880
sightings

3057
02:15:54,149 --> 02:15:53,440
and their interaction over the years and

3058
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:54,159
not

3059
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:57,360
pin everything on the military

3060
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:01,360
yeah well you know i i've realized that

3061
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:03,440
in an ideal world

3062
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,679
they would be more interested in

3063
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:07,119
experiences like this

3064
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:10,239
but and i think our

3065
02:16:14,229 --> 02:16:13,040
what happened with us is something that

3066
02:16:18,229 --> 02:16:14,239
has

3067
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:18,239
really added impetus to this whole thing

3068
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:21,520
but um i understand

3069
02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:24,159
that from their point of view in order

3070
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:24,880
to

3071
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:28,159
um take an official look at things

3072
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:30,719
you've got to justify it from the

3073
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:32,319
military point of view

3074
02:16:35,990 --> 02:16:35,040
they're either going to say we have to

3075
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:36,000
keep

3076
02:16:42,309 --> 02:16:39,760
chinese or they have to

3077
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:42,319
say that it's a mystery and it's a

3078
02:16:46,309 --> 02:16:43,599
possible threat

3079
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:46,319
but the idea of threat justifies

3080
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:47,920
military expenditure

3081
02:16:54,469 --> 02:16:51,359
and and attention to it and

3082
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:54,479
no harm in done there as

3083
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:58,000
to to launch the program on that basis

3084
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:01,200
and i'm sure they're going to look

3085
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:05,040
beyond um this is not going to be

3086
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:09,200
um a repeat of the

3087
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:12,479
air force project blue book which was

3088
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:15,439
designed to hush it all up make it all

3089
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,399
go away

3090
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:18,399
and you know we we do know that that's

3091
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:19,840
where they came up with

3092
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:23,599
things like swamp gas um

3093
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:26,399
to explain this away that that came out

3094
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:27,120
of

3095
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:30,639
blue book but it's a

3096
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:33,920
whole new area and it needs to be done

3097
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:36,240
because

3098
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:39,599
you can't suppress this stuff

3099
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:41,920
the idea that you can make it go away by

3100
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:43,120
ridiculing

3101
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,240
uh the people who see these things as

3102
02:17:50,309 --> 02:17:48,960
you know tinfoil hat you know ridiculous

3103
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:50,319
people

3104
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:53,679
that doesn't fly because it winds up

3105
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:56,559
not damaging the credibility of the

3106
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:57,679
witnesses

3107
02:18:01,990 --> 02:17:59,679
it damages the credibility of the

3108
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,000
government because they're trying to

3109
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:05,200
dismiss something that and the public's

3110
02:18:09,830 --> 02:18:07,200
just not buying it anymore

3111
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:09,840
no i i don't think that they are either

3112
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:10,559
and

3113
02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:14,559
uh but there's another uh question here

3114
02:18:20,429 --> 02:18:17,679
let's say that

3115
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:20,439
the senate intelligence committee

3116
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:22,319
continues

3117
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:25,920
uh their interest in ufos and uaps

3118
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:29,200
and they do bring witnesses if they

3119
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:31,280
called on you travis would you go would

3120
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:32,160
you speak

3121
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:35,280
would you testify sure sure i wouldn't

3122
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:37,040
yeah

3123
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:40,000
um and there's a there's something el i

3124
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:40,719
know that you

3125
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,280
follow um everything i've had enough

3126
02:18:48,549 --> 02:18:45,200
conversations with you privately

3127
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:48,559
to know that you stay on top of

3128
02:18:55,669 --> 02:18:52,080
of the ufo subject the best that you can

3129
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:55,679
are you surprised or do you see

3130
02:19:03,429 --> 02:18:59,040
uh a sudden downturn in

3131
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:03,439
uap in uh conversations in the media

3132
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:06,800
lately after after june 25th the report

3133
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:08,080
is released

3134
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:11,200
and i don't see the coverage anymore

3135
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:13,200
have you noticed that

3136
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:15,679
yeah i did notice that and it was kind

3137
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:16,240
of like

3138
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:18,960
it's peaking and then wha wha wha what's

3139
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:20,240
going on here

3140
02:19:24,469 --> 02:19:23,200
and i'm sorry i hate to talk politics

3141
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:24,479
but uh

3142
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:27,599
it is political um the previous

3143
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,359
administration had

3144
02:19:32,469 --> 02:19:31,280
said we want to have space force and we

3145
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:32,479
want to look into this

3146
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,880
and we promise to throw up on these

3147
02:19:39,270 --> 02:19:36,160
files and all this

3148
02:19:41,750 --> 02:19:39,280
and it would be just too

3149
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:41,760
difficult to say no for cancelling that

3150
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:43,359
well we decided we're not going to do

3151
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:44,000
that

3152
02:19:48,309 --> 02:19:47,200
so they pretend to and go through the

3153
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:48,319
motions

3154
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:51,840
half-hearted and it's not at all what

3155
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:54,399
was originally intended with

3156
02:20:01,270 --> 02:19:57,439
the releases that uh may still

3157
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:01,280
yet be on the road ahead yeah and didn't

3158
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:04,319
uh do you feel that the media

3159
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,920
knows that the world wants to hear about

3160
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:10,000
this subject

3161
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:13,120
oh definitely their ratings go through

3162
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:14,560
the roof every time

3163
02:20:21,429 --> 02:20:18,319
that's the focus of the uh of the report

3164
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:21,439
and uh i i think it's quite amazing to

3165
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:22,160
see

3166
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:24,960
uh them speak with a straight face and a

3167
02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:25,920
and a

3168
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:29,200
um serious attitude to make the report

3169
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:32,479
and just go on to the next uh subject

3170
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,160
and uh without the obligatory

3171
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:38,880
um tinfoil hat jokes or little green men

3172
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:40,560
jokes

3173
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:44,399
and the the turnabout

3174
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:47,359
that seems to be happening travis and

3175
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:48,960
i'm glad that you

3176
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:52,399
see it you know from where i'm sitting

3177
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:56,479
i feel it too and is that the wrong

3178
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:58,080
approach if you're going to open up the

3179
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:59,200
door and i'm talking about the

3180
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:00,720
department of defense and the pentagon

3181
02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:02,800
if you're going to open up the door

3182
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:06,000
rapidly closing it and suddenly you know

3183
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:08,240
fox and tucker carlson and

3184
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:11,680
everything else is is suddenly shut down

3185
02:21:15,429 --> 02:21:13,520
i think that the public is going to

3186
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:15,439
notice that and start to ask

3187
02:21:20,710 --> 02:21:18,880
questions definitely but i'm

3188
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:20,720
i'm kind of on the side of the

3189
02:21:26,630 --> 02:21:23,760
government secrecy to a certain extent

3190
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:26,640
um i've always thought that to just

3191
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:28,000
throw open the books

3192
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:30,399
and let them know everything we've got

3193
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:32,560
would be extremely unwise

3194
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:35,920
because the uh the chinese and the

3195
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:37,120
soviets and

3196
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:40,319
perhaps others have collected their own

3197
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:43,520
data information things that

3198
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:46,720
um they're certainly very eager to know

3199
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:50,240
what we have and again this the

3200
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:53,200
military perspective on things how much

3201
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:53,680
can we

3202
02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:56,880
weaponize of this stuff and so

3203
02:22:09,110 --> 02:22:05,030
they want to you know

3204
02:22:12,309 --> 02:22:09,120
pursue it but not so completely that

3205
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:12,319
uh it's it's to our advantage to keep

3206
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,080
our enemies guessing a little bit

3207
02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:18,319
it's been that way in the military's for

3208
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:19,520
thousands of years

3209
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:22,000
right that's that's the play and and i

3210
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:23,600
get that part of it

3211
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:26,800
there's another part though where in

3212
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:30,160
the uap task force report and in the

3213
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:30,880
media

3214
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:33,920
and so where threat uh

3215
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:37,359
has been repeated over and over again

3216
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:40,240
and i understand things coming in and

3217
02:22:44,790 --> 02:22:41,600
out of our airspace

3218
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:44,800
freely why that would be considered

3219
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:48,640
a threat but in a general sense

3220
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:51,920
i don't know of any ufos firing laser

3221
02:22:55,590 --> 02:22:52,560
cannons

3222
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:55,600
at anybody right in

3223
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:58,720
in your experience did you ever feel

3224
02:23:02,830 --> 02:23:01,359
threatened i know that you were scared

3225
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:02,840
but did you feel

3226
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:06,080
threatened no no i didn't and i've uh

3227
02:23:09,990 --> 02:23:07,120
you know

3228
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,000
tried to sort of reverse that because i

3229
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,240
went along with the idea that this

3230
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:14,319
you know was just a horror story i mean

3231
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:16,160
that was hollywood's take on it

3232
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:19,520
but over time i had to

3233
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:23,040
gradually realize that it had to be

3234
02:23:30,790 --> 02:23:26,960
more benign than i had initially

3235
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:30,800
judged it to be that their

3236
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:34,880
actions were probably you know again

3237
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:38,399
um an attempt to repair

3238
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:41,520
an accident rather than you know

3239
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:45,439
just some sort of uh uh high-handed uh

3240
02:23:49,990 --> 02:23:48,319
let's grab this guy and we'll zap him

3241
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,000
and take him aboard for

3242
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:52,880
whatever our purposes are and i i don't

3243
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:54,240
think that's it at all

3244
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,680
if i hadn't been so foolish it probably

3245
02:24:02,469 --> 02:23:59,520
never would have happened at all

3246
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:02,479
well and you've i i think you stated uh

3247
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:02,960
pretty

3248
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:07,040
clearly um that you felt

3249
02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:11,040
that you weren't abducted right that

3250
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,270
as far as terminology is concerned yeah

3251
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:21,600
if if they hadn't if they hadn't

3252
02:24:27,349 --> 02:24:24,880
have picked you up do you think he might

3253
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:27,359
have died

3254
02:24:31,830 --> 02:24:30,000
yeah i i think that you know that that

3255
02:24:35,190 --> 02:24:31,840
blast of energy was

3256
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:35,200
so powerful that heck the crew

3257
02:24:39,830 --> 02:24:38,080
assumed that you know just the things

3258
02:24:41,270 --> 02:24:39,840
that they were thinking when they saw it

3259
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:41,280
happen they figured

3260
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:45,840
he's fried you know um

3261
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:49,120
steve says that he said it got him

3262
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:52,240
you know and it got him means

3263
02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:55,040
you know this you know when you shoot a

3264
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:55,600
deer

3265
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:02,950
so it was definitely the perception that

3266
02:25:09,590 --> 02:25:06,800
uh something totally fatal

3267
02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:09,600
i mean they expected to find a charred

3268
02:25:13,750 --> 02:25:11,200
corpse when they got back there

3269
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:13,760
that was that's what they had to say now

3270
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:14,560
um

3271
02:25:21,110 --> 02:25:20,399
i did mike just hit the gas did anybody

3272
02:25:24,710 --> 02:25:21,120
see

3273
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:24,720
the abduction part

3274
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:28,640
uh no no but um

3275
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,720
from a distance they could see when it

3276
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:32,880
left i think that added to their

3277
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:35,920
confidence to go ahead and return but

3278
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:39,120
it wasn't just mike hitting the gas

3279
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:41,439
um the whole crew they said we're

3280
02:25:44,550 --> 02:25:42,720
screaming at him go

3281
02:25:46,630 --> 02:25:44,560
get the get this out of here get this

3282
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:46,640
get this son of a [\h__\h] moving so

3283
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:48,560
he was really just you know they were

3284
02:25:54,230 --> 02:25:50,240
all in shock and uh

3285
02:25:58,309 --> 02:25:54,240
he was just kind of going by uh the big

3286
02:26:01,429 --> 02:25:58,319
you know um emotion of the moment

3287
02:26:03,750 --> 02:26:01,439
to escape and you know he was the kuvas

3288
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:03,760
he he was responsible for the lives of

3289
02:26:08,950 --> 02:26:05,520
the remaining men

3290
02:26:12,309 --> 02:26:08,960
and getting them to safety was

3291
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:12,319
just his uh you know natural role

3292
02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:15,760
at that point i've i've played that uh

3293
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:18,880
back so many times in my mind uh that

3294
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:21,040
scene uh the way it's depicted in the

3295
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,160
movie

3296
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:25,040
would i have done what mike did right

3297
02:26:28,710 --> 02:26:25,680
you know

3298
02:26:30,870 --> 02:26:28,720
left his friend right would i have

3299
02:26:32,230 --> 02:26:30,880
done that i you know i didn't like that

3300
02:26:34,070 --> 02:26:32,240
aspect of the movie

3301
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:34,080
because i think they that was the

3302
02:26:37,750 --> 02:26:35,680
smartest thing to do

3303
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:37,760
you know i was the one who did something

3304
02:26:43,270 --> 02:26:39,439
dumb

3305
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:43,280
and uh they were he was a you know

3306
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:46,319
getting the crew to safety and uh i

3307
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:46,720
think

3308
02:26:51,270 --> 02:26:49,520
the movie sort of played that up and the

3309
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:51,280
remake is definitely not going to go

3310
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:52,160
that way

3311
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:55,520
we're not going to have uh

3312
02:27:02,150 --> 02:26:58,640
the crew

3313
02:27:05,670 --> 02:27:02,160
getting out and standing by the road

3314
02:27:08,550 --> 02:27:05,680
and refusing to return you know because

3315
02:27:10,150 --> 02:27:08,560
they they were all on board with that to

3316
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:10,160
go back and try

3317
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:13,280
having an attempt to rescue one one last

3318
02:27:17,590 --> 02:27:14,080
question

3319
02:27:21,270 --> 02:27:17,600
have you ever

3320
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:21,280
thought about um going back

3321
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:23,040
either to the scene or you know just

3322
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:26,720
privately looking up to the stars going

3323
02:27:33,349 --> 02:27:30,720
i want to do this again can

3324
02:27:35,190 --> 02:27:33,359
definitely not some of the crew have

3325
02:27:38,469 --> 02:27:35,200
gone back and

3326
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:38,479
they had their own sort of pilgrimage a

3327
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:42,479
personal um search for meaning

3328
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:45,920
um gone back to the site but uh

3329
02:27:49,349 --> 02:27:47,680
yeah you know i've been back there too

3330
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:49,359
and um

3331
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:52,800
with some of the guys and we've kind of

3332
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:56,880
definitely got a unique um

3333
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:59,600
emotional feel that we have together

3334
02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:01,280
when we're there but

3335
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:04,800
there's nothing i can really um

3336
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:07,200
share with you because it's it's really

3337
02:28:11,110 --> 02:28:08,080
private you know

3338
02:28:14,230 --> 02:28:11,120
i'm sure they have their own

3339
02:28:16,870 --> 02:28:14,240
um reaction to something that was

3340
02:28:18,070 --> 02:28:16,880
very hard to cope with now what about

3341
02:28:21,270 --> 02:28:18,080
people like me

3342
02:28:24,790 --> 02:28:21,280
travis that goes out at night

3343
02:28:27,750 --> 02:28:24,800
with their night vision and

3344
02:28:29,030 --> 02:28:27,760
looking up and and consciously reaching

3345
02:28:31,990 --> 02:28:29,040
out to our e.t

3346
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:32,000
brothers and sisters saying hey show

3347
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:33,280
yourselves

3348
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:36,880
is that a good idea no

3349
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:40,479
no yeah i mean i what i'm what i meant

3350
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:42,399
by no was no it's not

3351
02:28:49,910 --> 02:28:46,319
a really stupid thing to do it might be

3352
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:49,920
stupid to get too close but um

3353
02:28:53,190 --> 02:28:52,880
all right i'm actually kind of surprised

3354
02:29:06,790 --> 02:28:53,200
that

3355
02:29:12,309 --> 02:29:06,800
with me and some of the other guys

3356
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:15,190
let's just steer clear of that boy have

3357
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:15,840
you

3358
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:18,479
back back in those days um the aerial

3359
02:29:24,630 --> 02:29:20,840
phenomena research organization

3360
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:24,640
did were immediately skeptical

3361
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:26,160
of people that had more than one

3362
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:27,760
experience like

3363
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:30,319
it had to be so rare that to have more

3364
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:30,960
than one

3365
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:35,439
just defies the odds but the truth is um

3366
02:29:43,830 --> 02:29:39,600
i uh have uh um in

3367
02:29:46,790 --> 02:29:43,840
an incident that i feared with others

3368
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:46,800
one with mike where we saw a very

3369
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:48,479
profound

3370
02:29:53,670 --> 02:29:51,920
uh sighting and quite a

3371
02:29:55,590 --> 02:29:53,680
other group of witnesses together on

3372
02:29:56,389 --> 02:29:55,600
that one and then there was another

3373
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:56,399
group

3374
02:30:01,349 --> 02:30:00,000
um in california

3375
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:01,359
[Music]

3376
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:04,640
and that again was you know over

3377
02:30:11,030 --> 02:30:08,160
15 people seeing the same thing so i'm

3378
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:11,040
i'm wondering dang how come i'm seeing

3379
02:30:16,550 --> 02:30:13,359
so many of these things you know

3380
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:16,560
no i'm not hallucination prone or

3381
02:30:20,469 --> 02:30:18,880
any of that sort of thing because these

3382
02:30:22,870 --> 02:30:20,479
are other witnesses

3383
02:30:23,830 --> 02:30:22,880
that are with me that are as certain of

3384
02:30:27,030 --> 02:30:23,840
what we saw as

3385
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:27,040
uh as anybody i remember

3386
02:30:31,510 --> 02:30:30,800
asking you uh we were uh together this

3387
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:31,520
was uh

3388
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:32,960
probably four or five years ago and i'm

3389
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:35,840
sure you remember uh this conversation

3390
02:30:39,110 --> 02:30:38,640
uh we were you and i were with a group

3391
02:30:42,710 --> 02:30:39,120
of

3392
02:30:45,030 --> 02:30:42,720
outside

3393
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:45,040
and and i asked you i'm gonna i'm going

3394
02:30:49,510 --> 02:30:46,080
to ask you the same

3395
02:30:50,309 --> 02:30:49,520
question that i asked you then i said

3396
02:30:53,349 --> 02:30:50,319
travis

3397
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:53,359
do you feel that e.t

3398
02:30:56,710 --> 02:30:55,840
knows where you are right now at this

3399
02:30:58,550 --> 02:30:56,720
moment

3400
02:31:00,150 --> 02:30:58,560
i'm going to ask you the same question

3401
02:31:03,349 --> 02:31:00,160
travis do you feel

3402
02:31:06,950 --> 02:31:03,359
that they know where you are

3403
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:06,960
right now well

3404
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:10,319
i admit that that

3405
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:12,960
assessment has changed over the years

3406
02:31:17,030 --> 02:31:14,399
initially

3407
02:31:18,309 --> 02:31:17,040
i preferred to think it was my own bias

3408
02:31:21,429 --> 02:31:18,319
my fear that

3409
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:21,439
would have me prefer to believe that it

3410
02:31:24,950 --> 02:31:22,880
was

3411
02:31:26,830 --> 02:31:24,960
a random event not likely to happen

3412
02:31:29,750 --> 02:31:26,840
again you know

3413
02:31:32,870 --> 02:31:29,760
and over time

3414
02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:32,880
a lot of thinking about it i realized

3415
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:34,160
that

3416
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:37,359
um it's not

3417
02:31:40,710 --> 02:31:40,319
i use the analogy of walking by an ant

3418
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:40,720
dan

3419
02:31:44,870 --> 02:31:42,720
and and saying you know i think i'll

3420
02:31:47,670 --> 02:31:44,880
stop and have a conversation with

3421
02:31:48,070 --> 02:31:47,680
that ant right there you know and you

3422
02:31:50,469 --> 02:31:48,080
know

3423
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:50,479
i thought how absurd it was for people

3424
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:51,520
to think that

3425
02:31:55,990 --> 02:31:54,560
that the ufo was reacting to them

3426
02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:56,000
i stepped this way and then it moved

3427
02:32:00,070 --> 02:31:57,760
that way you know and

3428
02:32:00,870 --> 02:32:00,080
i i thought that was kind of

3429
02:32:03,429 --> 02:32:00,880
presumptuous

3430
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:03,439
egotistical maybe that it was reacting

3431
02:32:06,150 --> 02:32:03,920
to you

3432
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:06,160
but no i i actually have changed my

3433
02:32:11,910 --> 02:32:07,040
opinion

3434
02:33:12,710 --> 02:32:11,920
that the level of intelligence and

3435
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:16,469
to back again

3436
02:33:16,479 --> 02:33:31,590
is tremendous and we

3437
02:33:37,910 --> 02:33:35,510
travis you're the absolute very best and

3438
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:37,920
let's circle back and do it again but

3439
02:33:43,620 --> 02:33:40,880
we're not going to talk about 1975.

3440
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:43,630
that's my promise something else yeah

3441
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:46,240
[Laughter]

3442
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:53,429
thanks jimmy have a good night you too

3443
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:54,240
travis

3444
02:33:58,710 --> 02:33:57,600
walton and there you go i want to thank

3445
02:34:01,590 --> 02:33:58,720
travis

3446
02:34:03,990 --> 02:34:01,600
uh for for taking the time tonight with

3447
02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:04,000
everything else that is going on

3448
02:34:07,910 --> 02:34:07,600
to come on this program and talk about

3449
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:07,920
it

3450
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:09,920
thank you so much travis be safe out

3451
02:34:13,349 --> 02:34:12,240
there i'm your host jimmy church this is

3452
02:34:14,870 --> 02:34:13,359
fade to black

3453
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:14,880
i'm going to take a break and come back

3454
02:34:30,490 --> 02:34:16,960
and take your phone calls

3455
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:30,500
stay with me i'll be right back

3456
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:34,399
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3530
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[Music]

3531
02:38:20,389 --> 02:38:17,990
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3532
02:38:21,510 --> 02:38:20,399
jimmy church i want to thank travis

3533
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:21,520
walton

3534
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:25,040
man i got i'm just going to say this um

3535
02:38:28,710 --> 02:38:26,560
and i know that i've been posting a lot

3536
02:38:30,469 --> 02:38:28,720
in social media and speaking about

3537
02:38:33,510 --> 02:38:30,479
things over the last week

3538
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:33,520
but uh when this drama came across my

3539
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:34,800
desk

3540
02:38:40,309 --> 02:38:38,240
and i started to see the things that i

3541
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:40,319
was seeing out there now i didn't go

3542
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:43,600
i'm gonna tell everybody right now

3543
02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:46,800
i didn't listen to any of those podcasts

3544
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:49,120
or live streams or anything that went on

3545
02:38:53,349 --> 02:38:49,600
out there

3546
02:38:56,230 --> 02:38:53,359
nope not gonna do it and uh

3547
02:38:57,349 --> 02:38:56,240
i don't have any interest in that um and

3548
02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:57,359
also i'm just too

3549
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:00,399
plain busy so uh

3550
02:39:07,670 --> 02:39:04,319
but when i started and i was like no

3551
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:07,680
really and i immediately

3552
02:39:11,510 --> 02:39:10,080
picked up the phone and called travis

3553
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:11,520
and uh

3554
02:39:15,349 --> 02:39:14,000
and i said uh travis man how you doing

3555
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:15,359
he goes man you know what i'm doing

3556
02:39:20,389 --> 02:39:17,280
pretty good considering

3557
02:39:23,670 --> 02:39:20,399
and i asked travis out of the gate

3558
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:23,680
i literally said travis i i i was in my

3559
02:39:27,110 --> 02:39:24,720
car

3560
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:27,120
pulled the jeep over to the side of the

3561
02:39:33,110 --> 02:39:29,040
road put it in park

3562
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:33,120
i said travis just tell me

3563
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:36,720
that this bx bs about the hoax

3564
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:40,080
is just that and that that's all

3565
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:41,600
that's it i just wanted to cut to the

3566
02:39:45,910 --> 02:39:43,200
chase and

3567
02:39:46,790 --> 02:39:45,920
and i sat uh for about 30 minutes on the

3568
02:39:49,349 --> 02:39:46,800
side of the road

3569
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:49,359
um uh talking to travis about all of

3570
02:39:52,790 --> 02:39:49,920
this

3571
02:39:54,230 --> 02:39:52,800
and it was just pretty amazing to me and

3572
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:54,240
all that

3573
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:56,560
this was the amazing part for me all

3574
02:40:01,110 --> 02:39:57,760
that kept replaying

3575
02:40:04,870 --> 02:40:01,120
in my mind is i've dealt with

3576
02:40:07,990 --> 02:40:04,880
stuff you know for a week or two weeks

3577
02:40:10,710 --> 02:40:08,000
or a month but travis has been dealing

3578
02:40:13,910 --> 02:40:10,720
with this for 45 years

3579
02:40:17,349 --> 02:40:13,920
and the anger that i

3580
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:17,359
had inside of me i think

3581
02:40:25,510 --> 02:40:21,760
was completely in that

3582
02:40:26,790 --> 02:40:25,520
45 years 45 years and here i am having

3583
02:40:30,389 --> 02:40:26,800
to speak to him

3584
02:40:32,830 --> 02:40:30,399
about this again and

3585
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:32,840
and that was it that was it i said

3586
02:40:35,590 --> 02:40:34,160
travis

3587
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:35,600
you want to come on fade to black i

3588
02:40:40,790 --> 02:40:38,160
absolutely do all right

3589
02:40:42,070 --> 02:40:40,800
let's just discuss that i will discuss

3590
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:42,080
everything

3591
02:40:48,230 --> 02:40:45,120
okay let's do this and

3592
02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:48,240
and that is who travis walton

3593
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:51,520
is so if you are out there and if you're

3594
02:40:55,190 --> 02:40:53,359
listening to my voice right now and you

3595
02:40:58,630 --> 02:40:55,200
want to talk smack

3596
02:41:03,110 --> 02:40:58,640
uh save it it's not going to go anywhere

3597
02:41:05,510 --> 02:41:03,120
by you doing that for your own ego

3598
02:41:07,510 --> 02:41:05,520
because that's the only reason it's done

3599
02:41:10,309 --> 02:41:07,520
you're doing it for clicks

3600
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:10,319
you're doing it for ego you need to

3601
02:41:12,710 --> 02:41:12,240
really just check yourself and think

3602
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:12,720
about

3603
02:41:19,910 --> 02:41:16,479
who are you as a person

3604
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:19,920
who are you really are you that burnt

3605
02:41:28,070 --> 02:41:23,120
inside of you that your soul is a

3606
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:28,080
is a smoldering lump of black coal

3607
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:30,800
really you need to stop and think about

3608
02:41:35,190 --> 02:41:31,920
that

3609
02:41:37,190 --> 02:41:35,200
you know and and when i bring

3610
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:37,200
when i bring guests on this show i do it

3611
02:41:42,230 --> 02:41:38,479
for a reason

3612
02:41:44,630 --> 02:41:42,240
and and those reasons are i find

3613
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:44,640
the guest interesting and it's a

3614
02:41:50,389 --> 02:41:47,040
conversation that i want to have

3615
02:41:51,910 --> 02:41:50,399
and and that's it there's no agenda to

3616
02:41:54,790 --> 02:41:51,920
the show

3617
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:54,800
and i have always fought that i've

3618
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:55,200
always

3619
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:58,000
fought the agenda i i don't have an

3620
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:58,800
agenda here

3621
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:00,720
i just want to have a conversation i

3622
02:42:03,030 --> 02:42:02,399
want to talk about what i want to talk

3623
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:03,040
about

3624
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:05,279
and if people find it interesting they

3625
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:07,439
listen if they don't find it interesting

3626
02:42:12,710 --> 02:42:10,319
then they don't listen whatever but this

3627
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:12,720
is my show and then i'm

3628
02:42:19,990 --> 02:42:16,319
finding that because of the doofuses

3629
02:42:22,790 --> 02:42:20,000
and the adults that are out there

3630
02:42:25,349 --> 02:42:22,800
that i have to turn around and and have

3631
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:25,359
travis on as a guest who's a great guy

3632
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:27,359
and i love having him on i love hanging

3633
02:42:32,230 --> 02:42:28,560
out with him

3634
02:42:35,590 --> 02:42:32,240
but to have to have him on the show

3635
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:35,600
to talk about these things

3636
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:38,720
just just irks me so

3637
02:42:45,269 --> 02:42:42,000
i spent my time over here chop chopping

3638
02:42:48,870 --> 02:42:45,279
anybody that just stepped out of line in

3639
02:42:51,910 --> 02:42:48,880
in the chat room you're gone you're gone

3640
02:42:55,030 --> 02:42:51,920
that's it i i i just i i i

3641
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:55,040
i've got zero patients these days zero

3642
02:42:58,389 --> 02:42:55,840
patients

3643
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:58,399
and i want to thank travis for coming on

3644
02:43:02,950 --> 02:42:59,760
this show tonight

3645
02:43:05,269 --> 02:43:02,960
and not only answering difficult

3646
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:05,279
questions right but they're only

3647
02:43:10,389 --> 02:43:06,960
difficult because of

3648
02:43:10,790 --> 02:43:10,399
adults and doofuses that he has to go

3649
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:10,800
back

3650
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:14,000
and revisit and relive this again like

3651
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:14,880
this

3652
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:19,600
on these terms man so thank you travis

3653
02:43:23,110 --> 02:43:22,640
thank you so much and and i truly mean

3654
02:43:24,950 --> 02:43:23,120
it

3655
02:43:26,389 --> 02:43:24,960
um i had said to travis i'm going to get

3656
02:43:29,990 --> 02:43:26,399
to the calls in a second you just

3657
02:43:33,190 --> 02:43:30,000
wait right there um i said to travis

3658
02:43:35,110 --> 02:43:33,200
uh earlier in the show uh about the

3659
02:43:36,469 --> 02:43:35,120
conversation that i had with peter

3660
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:36,479
robbins and peter

3661
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:39,520
you demand uh by the way um

3662
02:43:42,630 --> 02:43:41,920
but i'm talking to peter and in this

3663
02:43:44,389 --> 02:43:42,640
passion

3664
02:43:45,990 --> 02:43:44,399
you know that is coming out of the two

3665
02:43:48,790 --> 02:43:46,000
of us and i know

3666
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:48,800
peter man a researcher and the the work

3667
02:43:52,550 --> 02:43:49,520
that he has

3668
02:43:54,070 --> 02:43:52,560
so he is focused on the facts and the

3669
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:54,080
research and the witnesses

3670
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:57,040
and the testimony and and the polygraphs

3671
02:44:01,590 --> 02:43:57,520
and

3672
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:01,600
you know that

3673
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:04,800
peter and that's great but i had to

3674
02:44:11,670 --> 02:44:08,000
i said peter peter stop

3675
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:11,680
it's travis's eyes

3676
02:44:18,309 --> 02:44:15,120
i look into those eyes and i see the man

3677
02:44:19,269 --> 02:44:18,319
that is the evidence that i need and i'm

3678
02:44:21,990 --> 02:44:19,279
just done with it

3679
02:44:22,790 --> 02:44:22,000
anybody out there i i don't have time

3680
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:22,800
for you

3681
02:44:29,750 --> 02:44:26,560
i just don't so please note

3682
02:44:31,510 --> 02:44:29,760
i'll block i'll chop

3683
02:44:33,429 --> 02:44:31,520
i don't want to hear from you i don't

3684
02:44:34,550 --> 02:44:33,439
want to hear it take it somewhere else

3685
02:44:36,389 --> 02:44:34,560
take it somewhere else take it to

3686
02:44:38,150 --> 02:44:36,399
somebody that'll listen to your your

3687
02:44:39,990 --> 02:44:38,160
your adult ass

3688
02:44:41,269 --> 02:44:40,000
all right all right have i spoken my

3689
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:41,279
piece is there

3690
02:44:49,110 --> 02:44:44,960
any questions here about my position

3691
02:44:50,550 --> 02:44:49,120
any questions i don't i didn't think so

3692
02:44:52,550 --> 02:44:50,560
all right with that let's go to the

3693
02:44:55,110 --> 02:44:52,560
phones hi you're live on fade to black

3694
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:55,120
who's calling

3695
02:45:00,790 --> 02:44:59,040
hey hey yes hi my name is jim

3696
02:45:02,469 --> 02:45:00,800
coming from san francisco and uh first

3697
02:45:04,469 --> 02:45:02,479
two things um i

3698
02:45:05,590 --> 02:45:04,479
i definitely believe travis walton

3699
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:05,600
always have been

3700
02:45:10,710 --> 02:45:09,120
just uh you know i i understand um

3701
02:45:12,230 --> 02:45:10,720
being kind of an experience here myself

3702
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:12,240
i understand uh

3703
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:14,399
where he's coming from and i understand

3704
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:15,680
people who have doubts when you tell

3705
02:45:20,230 --> 02:45:16,960
them

3706
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:20,240
so second thing um uh

3707
02:45:23,269 --> 02:45:21,600
just a few weeks ago here in san

3708
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,279
francisco i'm on the roof of my building

3709
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:25,439
and wave after wave of these orbs are

3710
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:26,880
coming over the building

3711
02:45:31,110 --> 02:45:28,800
and i probably it was probably about

3712
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:31,120
three waves that came over with about 15

3713
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:31,920
to 20

3714
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:33,840
of these glass looking orbs coming over

3715
02:45:38,230 --> 02:45:35,840
the building and i thought to myself

3716
02:45:39,510 --> 02:45:38,240
like a day later it's like nobody's

3717
02:45:41,910 --> 02:45:39,520
interested in hearing about this

3718
02:45:43,590 --> 02:45:41,920
and and it bothers me you know that that

3719
02:45:44,870 --> 02:45:43,600
these things can just fly over city and

3720
02:45:47,510 --> 02:45:44,880
nobody cares about it

3721
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:47,520
what happened to you yeah yeah wait wait

3722
02:45:50,309 --> 02:45:49,120
wait oh what was your name again i'm

3723
02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:50,319
sorry

3724
02:45:56,070 --> 02:45:53,439
francisco all right jim

3725
02:45:57,670 --> 02:45:56,080
uh what happened again so i'm on the

3726
02:45:59,110 --> 02:45:57,680
roof of my building just doing some sun

3727
02:46:00,070 --> 02:45:59,120
i have like an eight-story building that

3728
02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:00,080
i live on

3729
02:46:03,110 --> 02:46:01,920
i live in and i was on the top of it

3730
02:46:04,389 --> 02:46:03,120
getting some sun and

3731
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:04,399
it's not the first time i've seen it

3732
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:06,240
these orbs come over the building

3733
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:09,600
in waves of like 15 to 20 of them um

3734
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:11,600
they're glass looking with two lights

3735
02:46:13,830 --> 02:46:13,200
inside of them all looking the same

3736
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:13,840
thing

3737
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:16,800
and they just come over in waves um

3738
02:46:19,349 --> 02:46:18,640
there were about three waves about 15 to

3739
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:19,359
20 of them

3740
02:46:23,269 --> 02:46:21,520
they just fly over the city and nobody

3741
02:46:24,790 --> 02:46:23,279
nobody seems to notice

3742
02:46:26,550 --> 02:46:24,800
and nobody there's really nobody to

3743
02:46:26,790 --> 02:46:26,560
report it to i thought about it and it's

3744
02:46:28,309 --> 02:46:26,800
like

3745
02:46:30,070 --> 02:46:28,319
i mean i know there's a national ufo

3746
02:46:31,510 --> 02:46:30,080
reporting center but you know just kind

3747
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:31,520
of goes into a big deep hole

3748
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:34,160
there you know black hole there right so

3749
02:46:37,190 --> 02:46:36,000
in reality you know there's nobody to

3750
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:37,200
report it to the police don't want to

3751
02:46:39,670 --> 02:46:38,399
hear it the air force doesn't want to

3752
02:46:41,429 --> 02:46:39,680
hear it

3753
02:46:42,950 --> 02:46:41,439
but it bothers me that these things just

3754
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:42,960
can fly over the city

3755
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:46,000
and nobody does anything about it do you

3756
02:46:48,710 --> 02:46:46,720
ever explain

3757
02:46:50,830 --> 02:46:48,720
what they are yeah right right right jim

3758
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:50,840
do you ever think

3759
02:46:57,590 --> 02:46:53,600
that maybe

3760
02:47:01,429 --> 02:46:59,670
a friend of mine mentioned that too he

3761
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:01,439
said maybe you're just seeing them

3762
02:47:08,309 --> 02:47:04,960
right well possibly but and

3763
02:47:12,230 --> 02:47:08,319
uh that's definitely a possibility

3764
02:47:15,429 --> 02:47:12,240
and and this is let me

3765
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:15,439
let me uh relax you just a bit

3766
02:47:22,870 --> 02:47:19,120
okay i'm just gonna i'm just going to

3767
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:22,880
uh share a couple of things with you um

3768
02:47:31,349 --> 02:47:28,000
but back around 2008 now we're in 2021

3769
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:31,359
okay so we're going back uh 12 13 years

3770
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:33,279
ago 2008

3771
02:47:40,389 --> 02:47:37,200
and i am driving down

3772
02:47:44,309 --> 02:47:40,399
uh a windy mountain

3773
02:47:46,469 --> 02:47:44,319
road into uh the san fernando valley

3774
02:47:48,230 --> 02:47:46,479
and um i'm gonna get you hey just hang

3775
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:48,240
out for a second i gotta do this

3776
02:47:54,870 --> 02:47:52,160
really quick so uh this isn't loud

3777
02:47:55,429 --> 02:47:54,880
over the air so just just stay patient

3778
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:55,439
with me

3779
02:48:03,269 --> 02:47:59,040
jim i'm gonna be right back to you

3780
02:48:06,389 --> 02:48:03,279
okay all right jim i'm sorry i had to uh

3781
02:48:08,389 --> 02:48:06,399
to do this but uh

3782
02:48:10,230 --> 02:48:08,399
there you go i had to do it i i just

3783
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:10,240
didn't want any uh

3784
02:48:14,710 --> 02:48:13,040
okay jim i'm back this is this is what

3785
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:14,720
happened i'm i'm going down this

3786
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:17,120
this whiny road into the san fernando

3787
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:17,920
valley

3788
02:48:23,990 --> 02:48:22,000
of million people in it you can see the

3789
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:24,000
lights you know and it's very compressed

3790
02:48:28,150 --> 02:48:24,479
and

3791
02:48:30,469 --> 02:48:28,160
i'm driving

3792
02:48:32,150 --> 02:48:30,479
down and i'm looking at the lights and

3793
02:48:36,070 --> 02:48:32,160
and suddenly

3794
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:36,080
this object uh white

3795
02:48:41,110 --> 02:48:39,279
comes out of the you know down from the

3796
02:48:42,870 --> 02:48:41,120
start and comes down through the middle

3797
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:42,880
of my windshield

3798
02:48:47,590 --> 02:48:45,600
and goes straight and looks like and it

3799
02:48:50,790 --> 02:48:47,600
only lasted for about a second

3800
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:50,800
or two but and and

3801
02:48:58,230 --> 02:48:54,240
what appeared to be a crash

3802
02:49:01,269 --> 02:48:58,240
in downtown van nuys now i was expecting

3803
02:49:03,990 --> 02:49:01,279
an explosion okay now

3804
02:49:05,830 --> 02:49:04,000
we're talking about a couple of million

3805
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:05,840
people that are there it's 10 o'clock at

3806
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:06,240
night

3807
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:09,359
there's 10 24. and

3808
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:12,640
everybody had to have seen this now i

3809
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:14,800
immediately i drive home i turn on the

3810
02:49:21,429 --> 02:49:17,520
news eleven o'clock news i'm waiting to

3811
02:49:25,110 --> 02:49:21,439
see news about this there was nothing

3812
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:25,120
i called to move on no sightings

3813
02:49:32,070 --> 02:49:28,399
and uh this is a friend of mine that it

3814
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:32,080
works uh for mufon nothing

3815
02:49:36,230 --> 02:49:34,720
next day nothing i checked the newspaper

3816
02:49:39,590 --> 02:49:36,240
i'm online

3817
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:39,600
nobody mentioned this

3818
02:49:44,070 --> 02:49:42,000
and i thought about how is that possible

3819
02:49:46,870 --> 02:49:44,080
it's an impossibility

3820
02:49:50,150 --> 02:49:46,880
this thing was big it was bright and it

3821
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:50,160
crashed into downtown bad eyes

3822
02:49:56,469 --> 02:49:53,279
where where are the reports now i

3823
02:49:59,269 --> 02:49:56,479
i can't explain that just like you can't

3824
02:50:01,030 --> 02:49:59,279
explain what you're seeing you know from

3825
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:01,040
the top of your building

3826
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:03,840
it doesn't make any sense so i i've got

3827
02:50:09,190 --> 02:50:05,200
to back up and say hey

3828
02:50:12,309 --> 02:50:09,200
maybe it was just me that saw it

3829
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:12,319
right well it was uh myself and rita

3830
02:50:18,550 --> 02:50:15,600
she saw it first actually and then there

3831
02:50:19,429 --> 02:50:18,560
the the second thing that i find equally

3832
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:19,439
as crazy

3833
02:50:23,429 --> 02:50:22,800
as that is the beer can sighting that we

3834
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:23,439
had up

3835
02:50:29,269 --> 02:50:26,960
in uh washington three years ago

3836
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:29,279
and that was ginormous this thing was

3837
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:31,760
400 feet 500 feet tall

3838
02:50:36,710 --> 02:50:34,800
black spinning middle of the day three

3839
02:50:39,910 --> 02:50:36,720
o'clock in the afternoon

3840
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:39,920
and every it's it's there for everybody

3841
02:50:45,349 --> 02:50:40,960
to see

3842
02:50:46,710 --> 02:50:45,359
not a report nothing nobody i i cannot

3843
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:46,720
believe

3844
02:50:54,389 --> 02:50:50,080
that nobody saw this that this wasn't

3845
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:54,399
in the national news like big time

3846
02:50:58,070 --> 02:50:57,200
but nobody saw it you know was that was

3847
02:51:00,389 --> 02:50:58,080
that just for me

3848
02:51:02,790 --> 02:51:00,399
and my friends the 20 or 30 of us that

3849
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:02,800
were gathered there that did see it

3850
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:05,200
but there was nothing in the news you

3851
02:51:08,950 --> 02:51:07,760
know i i felt like i was the only person

3852
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:08,960
talking about this i

3853
02:51:12,230 --> 02:51:11,760
it just doesn't make any sense to me jim

3854
02:51:14,950 --> 02:51:12,240
so

3855
02:51:16,710 --> 02:51:14,960
i hope that relaxes you a little bit

3856
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:16,720
i've had my sightings that

3857
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:18,720
should have been reported and they

3858
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:24,469
yeah that helps a bit you know it's the

3859
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:31,670
man if i had a minute or a dollar for

3860
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:33,920
every minute i've thought about that

3861
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:35,840
yeah what are the implications and you

3862
02:51:41,349 --> 02:51:37,840
know it's not so much

3863
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:41,359
what what is it that you know it's more

3864
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:42,880
about the who

3865
02:51:48,710 --> 02:51:46,080
you know who is behind that that that's

3866
02:51:49,429 --> 02:51:48,720
what that's what uh i think about the

3867
02:51:51,110 --> 02:51:49,439
most

3868
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:51,120
jim thank you for the phone call and

3869
02:51:57,030 --> 02:51:53,680
anybody in san francisco this happened

3870
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:57,040
the last time last week jim

3871
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:59,439
about two weeks ago about two weeks ago

3872
02:52:01,990 --> 02:52:01,520
anybody in san francisco what time of

3873
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:02,000
night

3874
02:52:06,630 --> 02:52:05,680
jim it was during the day oh it's even

3875
02:52:09,910 --> 02:52:06,640
better

3876
02:52:12,070 --> 02:52:09,920
see that's the holy grail right okay

3877
02:52:14,389 --> 02:52:12,080
anybody in san francisco two weeks ago

3878
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:14,399
did you see anything in the sky

3879
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:16,560
i would love to hear from you jim have a

3880
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:17,920
great night man we'll see you tomorrow

3881
02:52:21,429 --> 02:52:19,920
night on the show

3882
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:21,439
all right youtube thank you yeah thank

3883
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:23,680
you it's a great phone call right there

3884
02:52:29,990 --> 02:52:26,720
two weeks ago san francisco

3885
02:52:33,670 --> 02:52:30,000
during the day did anybody see any

3886
02:52:36,550 --> 02:52:33,680
orbs he said he said like 12 to 15

3887
02:52:37,670 --> 02:52:36,560
clear with with i think he said red

3888
02:52:41,590 --> 02:52:37,680
lights

3889
02:52:42,389 --> 02:52:41,600
very interesting let's go back to the

3890
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:42,399
phones

3891
02:52:45,750 --> 02:52:43,840
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3892
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:45,760
calling

3893
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:48,800
hi jimmy this is epiphonium hi

3894
02:52:55,830 --> 02:52:52,960
epiphonium how are you i'm great i

3895
02:52:58,790 --> 02:52:55,840
wanted to say hi to lavera

3896
02:53:02,550 --> 02:52:58,800
i hope i pronounced that right okay well

3897
02:53:06,710 --> 02:53:04,870
what's up man what's up with you what's

3898
02:53:09,910 --> 02:53:06,720
going on

3899
02:53:11,429 --> 02:53:09,920
um i'm trying to learn so i bought some

3900
02:53:12,309 --> 02:53:11,439
recording equipment and i'm trying to

3901
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:12,319
spend some time

3902
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:14,000
trying to figure it out it's confusing

3903
02:53:18,790 --> 02:53:15,760
the crap out of me but

3904
02:53:21,429 --> 02:53:18,800
uh i see all those guitars you got there

3905
02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:21,439
and uh i know you're into that [\h__\h] uh

3906
02:53:27,349 --> 02:53:22,080
stuff

3907
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:27,359
what's the software are you talking

3908
02:53:31,990 --> 02:53:30,000
about uh software to record your music

3909
02:53:35,750 --> 02:53:32,000
with

3910
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:35,760
actually all free stuff i'm i'm uh

3911
02:53:38,870 --> 02:53:38,560
i've used uh other stuff i'm trying to

3912
02:53:42,150 --> 02:53:38,880
learn

3913
02:53:42,950 --> 02:53:42,160
rapture and i've got a really nice

3914
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:42,960
tascam

3915
02:53:47,670 --> 02:53:45,600
new recorder and all those things are

3916
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:47,680
not really very intuitive to

3917
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,520
do so i'm like 65 and i'm trying i feel

3918
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:53,520
like i'm a fifth grader trying to learn

3919
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:54,240
how to write

3920
02:54:00,070 --> 02:53:57,920
again yeah yeah nothing like a

3921
02:54:03,670 --> 02:54:00,080
new technology these days what did you

3922
02:54:09,590 --> 02:54:07,190
the model 12. man you got the right

3923
02:54:12,309 --> 02:54:09,600
you you got that's it you need the model

3924
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:12,319
12. i was hoping you were gonna say that

3925
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:15,680
now uh for everybody out there the model

3926
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:16,399
12

3927
02:54:25,590 --> 02:54:23,359
a digital recorder um

3928
02:54:27,190 --> 02:54:25,600
that will record all of the channels

3929
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:27,200
into a multi-track

3930
02:54:34,550 --> 02:54:31,439
recording and you got it yeah uh oh i've

3931
02:54:37,670 --> 02:54:34,560
there's a video if you go online

3932
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:37,680
and you search jimmychurchtascam

3933
02:54:45,269 --> 02:54:41,120
demo you will there's a video of

3934
02:54:46,550 --> 02:54:45,279
me presenting that at the namm show to a

3935
02:54:48,950 --> 02:54:46,560
couple of uh

3936
02:54:49,750 --> 02:54:48,960
nam attendees a f a father and daughter

3937
02:54:51,429 --> 02:54:49,760
i think

3938
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:51,439
and i take him through the models you're

3939
02:54:56,710 --> 02:54:53,600
instrumental in that that was awesome oh

3940
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:56,720
you saw it you saw it yeah yes you were

3941
02:55:02,389 --> 02:54:57,279
you

3942
02:55:04,790 --> 02:55:02,399
fun and it was awesome

3943
02:55:06,630 --> 02:55:04,800
yeah and it was funny because neil uh

3944
02:55:09,110 --> 02:55:06,640
from tascam

3945
02:55:10,070 --> 02:55:09,120
um was standing there and he happened to

3946
02:55:12,870 --> 02:55:10,080
record it

3947
02:55:14,950 --> 02:55:12,880
uh uh and i didn't know but then he sent

3948
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:14,960
me the video later was pretty funny

3949
02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:18,479
but um but anyway so the the model 12

3950
02:55:24,950 --> 02:55:21,760
all you need to really know about that

3951
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:24,960
is you can plug in a microphone and and

3952
02:55:28,230 --> 02:55:26,399
hit record

3953
02:55:29,990 --> 02:55:28,240
it's going to record on that track

3954
02:55:32,070 --> 02:55:30,000
whether it's track one two three four

3955
02:55:33,750 --> 02:55:32,080
whatever uh wherever the mic press are

3956
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:33,760
but anything else that you plug in on

3957
02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:36,160
those tracks it's going to record it

3958
02:55:42,710 --> 02:55:39,520
and then you can simply hit play

3959
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:42,720
and it's going to play those tracks back

3960
02:55:49,110 --> 02:55:46,160
on those faders and you are going to

3961
02:55:51,110 --> 02:55:49,120
i just said faders um you're going to

3962
02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:51,120
learn really quickly how

3963
02:55:57,830 --> 02:55:54,240
yeah right how easy it is to run

3964
02:55:58,710 --> 02:55:57,840
um but uh if you have any questions or

3965
02:56:01,590 --> 02:55:58,720
anything like that

3966
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:01,600
i can actually point you to uh i'd be

3967
02:56:05,429 --> 02:56:03,200
more than happy to do it somebody over

3968
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:05,439
at tascam that can walk you through it

3969
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:07,840
but man you got the right piece of gear

3970
02:56:13,910 --> 02:56:10,880
you're gonna be so happy

3971
02:56:16,309 --> 02:56:13,920
i i had way back in the 80s i had a

3972
02:56:17,990 --> 02:56:16,319
task game real real a four track

3973
02:56:20,630 --> 02:56:18,000
simulsync thingy

3974
02:56:21,190 --> 02:56:20,640
but this is so much simpler and it's

3975
02:56:23,590 --> 02:56:21,200
actually

3976
02:56:24,630 --> 02:56:23,600
um a fourth of the price of what that

3977
02:56:27,429 --> 02:56:24,640
was way back then

3978
02:56:27,990 --> 02:56:27,439
i know right it's a great piece of gear

3979
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:28,000
man

3980
02:56:31,269 --> 02:56:29,600
you're going to love it epiphonium thank

3981
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:31,279
you for calling in

3982
02:56:35,429 --> 02:56:33,439
and uh great show tonight with travis

3983
02:56:37,349 --> 02:56:35,439
thank you so much

3984
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:37,359
hey thanks man i love your show dude

3985
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:41,279
you're the best thank you

3986
02:56:47,190 --> 02:56:44,399
and uh with that he he did man he got uh

3987
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:47,200
he got the right piece of gear he got

3988
02:56:50,469 --> 02:56:49,680
the right piece of gear the tascam model

3989
02:56:52,710 --> 02:56:50,479
12.

3990
02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:52,720
and there are some people from tascam

3991
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:54,080
listening right now going

3992
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,680
yeah right on yeah

3993
02:57:00,710 --> 02:56:59,840
if you guys haven't seen that video just

3994
02:57:02,230 --> 02:57:00,720
go

3995
02:57:04,870 --> 02:57:02,240
and and look it up i think it's like

3996
02:57:08,230 --> 02:57:04,880
tascam jimmy church

3997
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:08,240
demo or something of of them's

3998
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:09,920
natures all right i got time for one

3999
02:57:14,790 --> 02:57:11,680
more phone call hi you're live on fade

4000
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:16,950
hey jimmy this is sergio how are you hey

4001
02:57:22,469 --> 02:57:19,520
giorgio how are you

4002
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:22,479
oh not bad man i i uh a long time

4003
02:57:26,790 --> 02:57:24,000
listener man i'll tell you what

4004
02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:26,800
your show is is up there i just can't

4005
02:57:29,670 --> 02:57:27,680
help but notice

4006
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:29,680
i really wish our belt was around to to

4007
02:57:33,429 --> 02:57:31,439
be around for this

4008
02:57:35,030 --> 02:57:33,439
historic times that we're in right now

4009
02:57:38,630 --> 02:57:35,040
man i'll tell you the truth

4010
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:38,640
there's a lot of uh jim mars i wish jim

4011
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:40,399
mars was here

4012
02:57:47,349 --> 02:57:44,000
uh stanton friedman you know i would

4013
02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:47,359
they they deserve uh where we are right

4014
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:47,760
now

4015
02:57:54,070 --> 02:57:51,200
lloyd pie i could go on and on and on

4016
02:57:55,269 --> 02:57:54,080
and uh but yeah you're right these are

4017
02:57:58,630 --> 02:57:55,279
these are certainly

4018
02:57:59,830 --> 02:57:58,640
fun fun times to be around uh after

4019
02:58:02,790 --> 02:57:59,840
spending so

4020
02:58:04,710 --> 02:58:02,800
so long researching and pushing this

4021
02:58:06,469 --> 02:58:04,720
forward to have all of this go down it's

4022
02:58:07,590 --> 02:58:06,479
pretty cool

4023
02:58:09,269 --> 02:58:07,600
yeah everything that they've been

4024
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:09,279
talking about for years and you know

4025
02:58:12,550 --> 02:58:11,040
it's all coming to fruition and it's

4026
02:58:14,230 --> 02:58:12,560
it sucks that they're not here man it

4027
02:58:17,110 --> 02:58:14,240
hurts it actually hurts

4028
02:58:18,630 --> 02:58:17,120
but um no it does i mean think about it

4029
02:58:21,269 --> 02:58:18,640
yeah this is like

4030
02:58:22,230 --> 02:58:21,279
what they wanted and damn it they don't

4031
02:58:24,630 --> 02:58:22,240
they're not here to

4032
02:58:27,110 --> 02:58:24,640
deal with it and it sucks yeah but um

4033
02:58:29,750 --> 02:58:27,120
yeah you're right you're right yeah

4034
02:58:31,510 --> 02:58:29,760
the i don't really have much of a

4035
02:58:34,389 --> 02:58:31,520
question but it's more like

4036
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:34,399
i guess like uh just thinking about it

4037
02:58:36,550 --> 02:58:35,279
um

4038
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:36,560
when it comes to people like steven

4039
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:38,319
grier lou elizondo

4040
02:58:44,150 --> 02:58:42,000
you know those people i i've heard

4041
02:58:45,349 --> 02:58:44,160
lou on your show i think he's he's great

4042
02:58:46,309 --> 02:58:45,359
he knows he knows what he's talking

4043
02:58:47,590 --> 02:58:46,319
about it's hard to

4044
02:58:49,750 --> 02:58:47,600
to say that he doesn't know what he's

4045
02:58:50,550 --> 02:58:49,760
talking about grier i'm a little bit

4046
02:58:54,230 --> 02:58:50,560
more you know

4047
02:58:56,150 --> 02:58:54,240
skeptical on but i don't know man i mean

4048
02:58:57,429 --> 02:58:56,160
how do you how do you determine like

4049
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:57,439
how do you cut through the crap and

4050
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:59,760
figure out what's um

4051
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,040
what's real what isn't what's

4052
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:03,200
misinformation what's

4053
02:59:06,870 --> 02:59:05,120
i mean that's that's pretty much my my

4054
02:59:10,630 --> 02:59:06,880
question to you is how how do you

4055
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:10,640
disseminate you know the crap from the

4056
02:59:14,950 --> 02:59:11,520
real you know yeah

4057
02:59:16,630 --> 02:59:14,960
yeah yeah and and my answer to that

4058
02:59:18,790 --> 02:59:16,640
and and thank you for the phone call

4059
02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:18,800
giorgio and it's a great question

4060
02:59:25,510 --> 02:59:22,479
and i've i've i've i've answered this

4061
02:59:29,349 --> 02:59:25,520
many times but my

4062
02:59:33,990 --> 02:59:29,359
my suggestion to everybody

4063
02:59:38,230 --> 02:59:34,000
is to just listen listen to everybody

4064
02:59:42,389 --> 02:59:38,240
just every angle every opinion

4065
02:59:45,510 --> 02:59:42,399
every theory just put it there

4066
02:59:45,830 --> 02:59:45,520
analyze it and think about it because at

4067
02:59:52,309 --> 02:59:45,840
the

4068
02:59:54,070 --> 02:59:52,319
none of us know nothing we know nothing

4069
02:59:57,349 --> 02:59:54,080
nobody knows the facts

4070
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:57,359
and anytime that anybody says that they

4071
03:00:01,750 --> 02:59:58,720
know what's going on

4072
03:00:04,309 --> 03:00:01,760
just run for the hills you know but

4073
03:00:06,070 --> 03:00:04,319
listen to everybody it just put it there

4074
03:00:08,630 --> 03:00:06,080
and in the end

4075
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:08,640
when these questions are answered when

4076
03:00:11,750 --> 03:00:09,200
e.t

4077
03:00:14,070 --> 03:00:11,760
is here and we're talking to him we're

4078
03:00:17,510 --> 03:00:14,080
going to find out that we were all wrong

4079
03:00:19,190 --> 03:00:17,520
and and you know the this comes from

4080
03:00:22,550 --> 03:00:19,200
giorgio suculos

4081
03:00:25,190 --> 03:00:22,560
not you giorgio the other giorgio but

4082
03:00:26,150 --> 03:00:25,200
but giorgio said this on the on on this

4083
03:00:28,630 --> 03:00:26,160
program

4084
03:00:30,309 --> 03:00:28,640
uh probably two or three years ago and

4085
03:00:33,510 --> 03:00:30,319
i've re-quoted

4086
03:00:35,510 --> 03:00:33,520
him so many times because he's right

4087
03:00:37,910 --> 03:00:35,520
we're gonna find out that we were all

4088
03:00:39,670 --> 03:00:37,920
wrong and that's it and it's going to be

4089
03:00:41,670 --> 03:00:39,680
a great day when it happens

4090
03:00:43,670 --> 03:00:41,680
and with that giorgio thank you for

4091
03:00:46,070 --> 03:00:43,680
being the last caller tonight

4092
03:00:47,030 --> 03:00:46,080
and uh great question and and thank you

4093
03:00:49,830 --> 03:00:47,040
so much my friend

4094
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:49,840
really appreciate it thanks a lot man

4095
03:00:52,630 --> 03:00:50,880
keep up the great work

4096
03:00:55,190 --> 03:00:52,640
and uh looking forward to many more

4097
03:00:56,950 --> 03:00:55,200
episodes thank you so much giorgio

4098
03:00:59,030 --> 03:00:56,960
and we will see you tomorrow night right

4099
03:00:59,830 --> 03:00:59,040
here we have got william henry on the

4100
03:01:02,150 --> 03:00:59,840
show

4101
03:01:03,590 --> 03:01:02,160
from ancient aliens so there you go

4102
03:01:05,269 --> 03:01:03,600
thank you giorgio

4103
03:01:07,110 --> 03:01:05,279
and with that i've got to get out of

4104
03:01:10,389 --> 03:01:07,120
here what a great show tonight

4105
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:10,399
i want to thank once again travis walton

4106
03:01:14,870 --> 03:01:12,000
for coming in here

4107
03:01:15,830 --> 03:01:14,880
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4108
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conversation

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